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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think the ad is fair, I don't know how it's not fair...
    If the ad is truthful, then it's fair in my opinion. Suppose Judge Prosser was liberal, what would those who say it's unfair say then?

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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    It's being used for partisan reasons, but if it's accurate information, then even if the Democrats' motives are suspect, their target deserves every bit of scrutiny the public has to offer.

    Letting child molesters off the hook is very difficult to excuse. Even if he claims it was for the sake of the children, that sort of thing isn't his decision to make.
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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    The consequences of David Prosser's decision not to prosecute were devastating for decades afterward; not the kind of sound judgment precedent one looks for in a supreme court judge.
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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    “In a fit of temper, you [Justice David Prosser] were screaming at the chief; calling her a 'bitch,' threatening her with '. . . I will destroy you'; and describing the means of destruction as a war against her 'and it won't be a ground war.'

    “In my view, a necessary step to address the dysfunction is to end these abusive temper tantrums.”


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    Whoa! Justice Prosser appears to be approaching the Dan White-level of self importance and social imbalance. No Twinkies for you, David!

    Excerpted from “Supreme Court tensions boil over; Prosser says he was goaded into insulting chief justice” By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel, Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel, March 19, 2011
    Prosser acknowledged the incident recently …

    He said the outburst came after Abrahamson took steps to undermine him politically and to embarrass him and other court conservatives.

    "In the context of this, I said, 'You are a total bitch,' " Prosser said.

    "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely warranted. . . . They (Abrahamson and Justice Ann Walsh Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing." …
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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The consequences of David Prosser's decision not to prosecute were devastating for decades afterward; not the kind of sound judgment precedent one looks for in a supreme court judge.
    Yeah.. I'd say the ad is pretty damning, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was reelected...

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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Democrats are running this ad against David Prosser, who is up for reelection for the Wisconsin State Supreme Court:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWif6...layer_embedded

    The 2 kids involved are suing the Catholic Church in Wisconsin for hiding the priest who molested them, and molested others after Prosser refused to prosecute them.

    But, from Prosser's perspective, here is the deal:

    1) Times were different back then. Prosser says that the reason he did not prosecute the pedophile priest was to spare the kids the emotional stress of taking the stand. He had no knowlege that the priest was a serial molester. The villain here was the Bishop, who hid the priest, which enabled him to continue molesting kids.

    2) Prosser is not Catholic, and so is not involved in a conspiracy to hide the priest.

    3) Prosser did make a ruling a few years ago that the Catholic church can be sued.

    From the Democrats' perspective - Because Prosser did not prosecute the molester, he enabled him to molest more kids, before he was finally prosecuted in 2004.

    This is a difficult subject. Also, since the outcome of this election is going to help decide the Constitutionality of Walker's union busting, and also help decide redistricting in Wisconsin, it is an extremely hot-button topic. No doubt, the Democrats are jumping all over this for partisan political purposes, and if Prosser were a Republican, they most likely would be defending him, as Republicans are, at the moment.

    Here is the issue in my poll - Many judges make bad decisons, without meaning to, and go on to distinguished careers. Is this the case with Judge Prosser? Does he deserve to be voted out, or is this just a power play by Democrats? I am categorizing the choices according to who and who does not support Walker's term as Governor of Wisconsin, so we can see how much of the issue is doing to divide along partisan lines.

    NOTE: If you are against Walker, do NOT make inflammatory statements against Walker. State why you believe as you do. If you are for Walker, please do the same, instead of name calling too.
    I'm not involved in Wisconsin politics, so I can't really say if I support or oppose him.

    However, I believe he was seriously negligent in his duty as a prosecutor to not order the police to investigate the priest once allegations were brought up.

    In my mind, it's understandable to not prosecute someone accused of child molestation. The main reason for this is because there is a lack of evidence from an investigation to support the prosecution of that person. After all, anyone can make allegations of sexual abuse against anybody else. However, people are innocent until proven guilty and there has to be strong evidence that they committed this crime in order to prosecute them.

    However, what disturbs me is that he didn't even push the investigation of the priest by the police to decide whether or not there was any evidence to the allegations. If he was a competent prosecutor, he would have had the police investigate a bare minimum to see if there was anything to the allegations. But he didn't even do that. Which, in my mind, makes me think that he's really bad at his job.

    And because of that, he shouldn't be a judge.

    Now if he had pushed for a police investigation and the police didn't find enough evidence even though the priest was guilty, I could forgive Prosser of that. DAs have limited resources with which to pursue cases, and they can only go after charges where there's a high likelihood of getting a conviction. But the fact that he didn't even ask the police to investigate is what makes me distrubed about him.

    And I"d have this opinion of a judge no matter what his political leanings are.
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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Per PolitFact-Wisconsin, "barely true" following has been snipped from link at bottom:

    [Re the advertisement run disparaging Prosser] So, where does all of this leave us? The Greater Wisconsin Committee [the group running the ad] claims David Prosser didn’t ask police to investigate a mother’s report that a 30-year pedophile priest had indecently touched her two sons, then refused to file charges him and participated in a cover-up of the priest’s acts.

    The committee’s TV ad uses generally factual statements to make its case, but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. By using information that only became known later, it suggests more information was available to Prosser at the time than really was. For instance, Prosser didn’t know that the priest had a long history of molestation -- that came out 14 years later. And it wasn’t until 14 years later that one of the brothers made the most serious allegation against the priest.

    Finally, the two brothers have condemned the ad as "offensive, inaccurate and out of context."

    Finally, we rate the claim as barely true.
    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Greater Wisconsin Committee says Supreme Court Justice David Prosser mishandled allegation of sex abuse by priest
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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If the ad is truthful, then it's fair in my opinion. Suppose Judge Prosser was liberal, what would those who say it's unfair say then?
    I wouldn't condemn a liberal prosecutor for not pursuing charges when there wasn't much evidence. Especially when looked at in the context of what was occuring back then. Priests were not known for molestation in the early/mid 70's. It's very easy to look back at that time with our modern lenses and think that you'd be silly not to pursue charges. But this was an unknown back then.

    Now, I can't speak for the other conservatives, I can only give my thoughts on the subject.

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    Re: Wisconsin Judge Prosser Assailed on Child Molestation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    Here is the issue in my poll - Many judges make bad decisons, without meaning to, and go on to distinguished careers. Is this the case with Judge Prosser? Does he deserve to be voted out, or is this just a power play by Democrats? I am categorizing the choices according to who and who does not support Walker's term as Governor of Wisconsin, so we can see how much of the issue is doing to divide along partisan lines.
    Past rulings for a judge are certainly fair game for political ads. It is up to the judge to be able to defend his record. In this case it was a decision while the DA, but the same holds true. Imagine if I had come out and said running ads about the past two supreme court nominees and their actions had been unfair.

    Now, looking at the politifact page on this add, I would say that the way the decision was framed in the add was unfair and highly misleading. However, it is painfully hard to legislate something like that. I don't like it, but it's not going to change.
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