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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I guess "going at it with each other" wasn't the right expression. My point is, MM is exercising their right to free speech the same way anyone else does, so I don't see it as a "war on free speech," unless MM is actively lobbying or pursuing legislation to regulate Fox or take it off the air.
    Wouldnt you say that is their end game?

    I dont think it matters...Fox has their supporters...and everyone else divides up their loyalties...and to me its all the same poisoned pill, which is why I dont watch TV news.

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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I note your quote and point out that free speech does not mean, indicate, imply, nor guarantee anything approximating truth. Objective news reporting would be "truth." Perspectives, partisanship, sold to so and so, and any other spin should be openly and previously acknowledged, ergo the show would be labelled entertainment or a commercial.
    Meaning...every 'news' source in the market, right?

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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I note your quote and point out that free speech does not mean, indicate, imply, nor guarantee anything approximating truth.
    I agree, and I never claimed otherwise.

    Objective news reporting would be "truth."
    Objectivity often exists in the eye of the beholder.

    Perspectives, partisanship, sold to so and so, and any other spin should be openly and previously acknowledged, ergo the show would be labelled entertainment or a commercial.
    Again, same as above. For the most part people know who the Hannitys, Palins, Becks, O'Reillys, Matthewses, and Ed Schultzes of the world are. I don't think it's news to tell anyone that the aforementioned are opinion programming.
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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wouldnt you say that is their end game?
    They attempt to destroy/discredit Fox through their own use of free speech/spin/propaganda, and that's completely their right. If they are actively pursuing legislation in order to get the government to censor or somehow control or limit Fox's speech, I would be against that.

    I dont think it matters...Fox has their supporters...and everyone else divides up their loyalties...and to me its all the same poisoned pill, which is why I dont watch TV news.
    I'm with you there brother. I only watch it occasionally, because sometimes images on a screen are more powerful than words on a page, and gives you a sense of what might be going on somewhere. I don't primarily rely on cable news for my information.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    They attempt to destroy/discredit Fox through their own use of free speech/spin/propaganda, and that's completely their right. If they are actively pursuing legislation in order to get the government to censor or somehow control or limit Fox's speech, I would be against that.



    I'm with you there brother. I only watch it occasionally, because sometimes images on a screen are more powerful than words on a page, and gives you a sense of what might be going on somewhere. I don't primarily rely on cable news for my information.
    Im not suggesting they dont have the right to do what they do...just that I think its pretty comical to hold yourselves up as an unbiased defender of the media, and in doing so, expose yourselves to be far greater partisan hacks than Fox could ever be.

    I pretty much rely on internet sources...read an AP article...read a linked reuters article, a few others if the story is important...somewhere in the middle is the 'truth'. I thought it was interesting yesterday that an article in the Jerusalem Post was an AP article with sources (and links) from Al Jazeera and the New York Times AND the Washington Post. Now that there is a wicked brew...

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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im not suggesting they dont have the right to do what they do...just that I think its pretty comical to hold yourselves up as an unbiased defender of the media, and in doing so, expose yourselves to be far greater partisan hacks than Fox could ever be.

    I pretty much rely on internet sources...read an AP article...read a linked reuters article, a few others if the story is important...somewhere in the middle is the 'truth'. I thought it was interesting yesterday that an article in the Jerusalem Post was an AP article with sources (and links) from Al Jazeera and the New York Times AND the Washington Post. Now that there is a wicked brew...
    Yes that's pretty much the primary knock against Media Matters around here.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    It sounds like a group of internet nerds having website wars to me. How childish.
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    Re: Media Matters to launch campaign of "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox

    I say go for it. It will give me more to laugh at. And I would love to know how this is a war on free speech?

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