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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I never said he was The Great Satan, but he is an Alinksy/Wright styled Marxist. He is not a Uniter, and Change means "screw". Yes Haymarket, Obama wants to fundamentally "Change" America and the lives of the bitter clingers that populate the country... for the worse.

    LEAVE US ALONE.

    Now, I want to make sure in this little DG, people are aware of his workings. Nice for you to point out I seem to be effective at doing it.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You want to talk about "lack of integrity" and "leadership", yet I don't hear you denouncing the wrong doings of either Reagan nor GW Bush when it's been made clear to you that they failed to seek Congressional approval for some of their military actions in the past. So, until your side starts holding true to these ideals of "political intergrity", I'll start condemning Pres. Obama for following their lead as they set the precedent for this kind of usurpting of their authority as Command-in-Chief.

    Until your side start condeming Reagan and GW Bush for exceeding their authority from their past actions, and I'll continue to support Pres. Obama's actions against Libya. Until then....
    The difference is only your side preaches about Declarations of War, and **** like that. So now you're a bunch of hypocrites.
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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If showing you are so over the top biased against Obama that it borders on a pathological illness is the same as being effective, yes, you are effective.
    ROTFLOL... I am not one to compromise with Marxist liars. I've seen the damage they have done first hand, and with 14,000,000,000,000 problems due to socialist do-gooder Ponzi/Madoff schemes, I do not foresee the time I will return to the days of being an idiotic Lib and support the likes of Obama.

    Now, should Obama start behaving as if he loves this country, respects the Constitution, our individual rights, stops treating this as some type of collective, then my opinion and view might change. I say might because I would wonder what scheming this guy would be up to.

    We've come a long way from the time people freaked out when someone said they wanted him to fail (because of his policies) to the majority of Americans actually wanting him to be stopped. There are some bitter clingers on the left that are still ladeling the Kool-Aid, but hey... some folks are just unreachable. They're true followers of the Alinsky/Obama/Marxist Doctrine... and they're closed minded. (Why not read the book linked below and ask yourself if that might be you.)

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The difference is only your side preaches about Declarations of War, and **** like that. So now you're a bunch of hypocrites.
    When President Obama or the U.N. starts calling this "an act of war", yet the President does not ask Congress for a war declaration and keeps our military engaged in Libya, then and only then will I agree that the President has overstepped his bounds w/U.S. involvement w/Libya OR when he exceeds the U.N. resolution (No. 1973). Until then, the Libyan offensive will remain "a foreign campaign with the goal of rendering humantarian aid and halting aggression against Libyan nationals by their government."

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    When President Obama or the U.N. starts calling this "an act of war", yet the President does not ask Congress for a war declaration and keeps our military engaged in Libya, then and only then will I agree that the President has overstepped his bounds w/U.S. involvement w/Libya OR when he exceeds the U.N. resolution (No. 1973). Until then, the Libyan offensive will remain "a foreign campaign with the goal of rendering humantarian aid and halting aggression against Libyan nationals by their government."
    Don't you know it is a kinetic military action?

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    That was then... this is now. The excuse for not applying that to Obama will be... 'But President Obama has not entered into a war with Libya. He's simply following the mandate of the UN Security Council regarding efforts to stop Quadaffy from harming his own citizens'
    Forgive me if someone already made these points.

    1. UN Resolution 1973 authorized the use of force to establish a no fly zone and protect Civilians by any means. It does not mandate anything.

    2. What Obama has done falls under the War Powers Act of 1977. He had 48 hours to notify Congress which he did. He now has 60 days before he is required to get Congressional Authorization and if not he has 30 days to withdraw.

    Based on this sad to day but Obama can not be impeached for this.

    He is in violation of Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution for not protecting the States form invasion by illegals and not just Mexicans.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    This is too hilarious - I wonder which way New Gingrich (probable Republican Presidential Candidate) would go - impeach or not impeach! LOL!

    Newt Gingrich: For Libyan Intervention Before he Was Against It
    Posted by MICHAEL CROWLEY Wednesday, March 23, 2011


    ThinkProgress busts the former House Speaker in--barring some explanation I can't imagine--a rather shameless act of flip-floppery, shifting within days from "exercise a no-fly zone this evening" to "I would not have intervened."

    To me this is Gingrich's great strength also proving to be a great liability. Gingrich has had political staying power in large measure because he's extremely deft at crafting sound bites that hit like exploding bullets. (You'll find a bunch in my recent Newt story, here.) Part of that comes from Newt's knack for making his every position sound authoritative and definitive. The problem is that such certitude rarely stands up to complex facts and changing events. Still, when asked the same question under different circumstances--in this case, with Obama acting versus Obama not acting--Gingrich's impulse is to sound as certain in his new position as he was in his old, now outdated one.



    Read more: Newt Gingrich: For Libyan Intervention Before he Was Against It - Swampland - TIME.com



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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Conservatives may want to remember that Constitutionally, if Obama is impeached, it wouldn't negate the '08 election. It would mean President Biden. Unless that's what you want...

    (BTW, I may be wrong, but doesn't it go to Harry Reid next? Again, that doesn't sound like something you want.)

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Biden strikes again, making the impeachment case against Obama, and I don't think it's plagiarized.
    I find threads like this rather hypocritical at best, but what the heck - hypocrisy has become the breakfast of champions in the United States these days, so why not pretend to ask a question that really has no substantive reason for existing. It is now par for the course in this country.

    Fact: President Bush's Administration lied to Congress, the American People and the United Nations about national intelligence that it used as the false pretext for invading a sovereign country.

    Fact: The national intelligence estimate used by the Bush Administration as its basis for invading a sovereign country, was not the same version of the national intelligence estimate put before the United States Senate.

    Fact: When George W. Bush, ordered the United States Military to invade a sovereign country based on false statements made to the United States Senate about a national intelligence estimate which contained no justification for going to war, George W. Bush, committed an impeachable offense.

    Fact: When George W. Bush, delivered to the United States Senate, a false version of the national intelligence estimate used to justify the need to invade a sovereign country, defining the same as being necessary for the protection of national security interests of the United States of America, George W. Bush, committed an impeachable offense.

    Fact: When George W. Bush, addressed the United Nations as the Executive Branch representation of the United States of America, and made false statements on behalf of the United States of America, in an attempt to gain unwarranted support for the creation of a Military Coalition for the sole purpose of carrying out the invasion of a sovereign country, based solely upon false statements made about threats to the national security of the United States of America, and based on false statements about the non-compliance of that same sovereign country to adhere to and abide by previous United Nations resolutions regarding the dismantling of "Weapons of Mass Destruction," George W. Bush, committed an impeachable offense.

    Fact: The United States of America, is a permanent member and signatory of the United Nations and thus has made itself subject to the international laws that govern its Members within the United Nations.

    Fact: Libya, is a current member, General Assembly seat holder and signatory of the United Nations and thus made itself subject to the international laws that govern its Members within the United Nations.

    Fact: When the Government of Libya, used its Military to put down a peaceful protest of its citizenry engaged in the redressing grievances process through public, non-violent and un-armed demonstrations, the Government of Libya committed a violation of its signature within the United Nations General Assembly, and having done so, also violated International Law, making itself accountable for redress through the process of United Nations Security Council Resolution - up to and including the use of Military force to bring Libya in compliance with International Law.

    Fact: When Barak Obama, ordered the United States Military to strike designated military targets in the sovereign country of Libya, under the authorization expressly outlined by the United Nations Security Council, which outlined the use of force to erect a U.N. No-Fly-Zone and to use force as necessary to protect the lives of the Libyan People from the Military aggression received from the Libyan Government in violation of its signature at the United Nations, President Barak Obama, committed no impeachable offense.


    Now, those are the facts, like it or not. If the world is going to have a body like the United Nations, and if sovereign countries are going to make themselves subject to the international laws that come from such a body, then those same sovereign countries cannot cry foul, when they are found in violation of their own signature that gives the United Nations and its Members the legal authority to bring the violating country into compliance. It really is just that cut and dry.

    Thus, the case for impeaching and/or trying the current President of the United States of America is therefore, all at once, without merit and without any foundation or basis in U.S. and/or international law.

    Case in point. Case closed. Grand jury dismissed. Home in time for supper.
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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Forgive me if someone already made these points.

    1. UN Resolution 1973 authorized the use of force to establish a no fly zone and protect Civilians by any means. It does not mandate anything.

    2. What Obama has done falls under the War Powers Act of 1977. He had 48 hours to notify Congress which he did. He now has 60 days before he is required to get Congressional Authorization and if not he has 30 days to withdraw.

    Based on this sad to day but Obama can not be impeached for this.

    He is in violation of Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution for not protecting the States form invasion by illegals and not just Mexicans.
    do you mean the act of 1973?

    SEC. 2. (c)
    The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

    Libya does not meet criteria 3. Obviously criteria 1 can't pertain, so what specific statutory authorization did he receive to meet this requirement?

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