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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Even though I personally don't like him as the President. I don't believe he was done anything Impeachable and trying to Impeach him on this will set a precedence that could give Congress considerable power over the President. Specially if the two are of two different parties. Should he have talked to Congress first yes should he be Impeach no.

    Also I hope everyone realize the Impeach just means bringing Charges against him.
    Bottom line here is this: Reagan set the president; GW Bush and Pres. Obama are merely following his lead. Republicans can't stand that someone outside their party had the balls to use the military WITHOUT getting their consent first. But it was just fine with two of their own did it.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do no of you really care that Reagan and other Reps have done the exact same thing in the past?
    Bombing of Libya (1986) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I mean its almost the EXACT SAME OPERATION
    I do not recall Reagan breathlessly berating a previous president for taking military action. I don't recall him doing it after the Marines had their mishap in Iran. Obama had, and not just off-handedly, he laid out a long diatribe berating Bush43 about it all through the election, and based a lot of his election campaign on his "superior judgment".

    Had he not, this wouldn't be the big deal it is.

    Some of us on the right might actually believe the president shouldn't have to go to Congress to get approval to go to war, echoing some of the Founders.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They did so it is okay if we do it. This shows a lack of integrity and doing the right thing. The democrats and the left making excuses for the lack of leadership in the White House
    You want to talk about "lack of integrity" and "leadership", yet I don't hear you denouncing the wrong doings of either Reagan nor GW Bush when it's been made clear to you that they failed to seek Congressional approval for some of their military actions in the past. So, until your side starts holding true to these ideals of "political intergrity", I'll start condemning Pres. Obama for following their lead as they set the precedent for this kind of usurpting of their authority as Command-in-Chief.

    Until your side start condeming Reagan and GW Bush for exceeding their authority from their past actions, and I'll continue to support Pres. Obama's actions against Libya. Until then....
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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I do not recall Reagan breathlessly berating a previous president for taking military action. I don't recall him doing it after the Marines had their mishap in Iran. Obama had, and not just off-handedly, he laid out a long diatribe berating Bush43 about it all through the election, and based a lot of his election campaign on his "superior judgment".

    Had he not, this wouldn't be the big deal it is.

    Some of us on the right might actually believe the president shouldn't have to go to Congress to get approval to go to war, echoing some of the Founders.

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    So yet again,for a time beyond count or calcualtion, this is merely the latest excuse to bash Omaba?

    What does any view of a citizen matter when they talk as a citizen or even an elected official compared to the actual power that a President of the USA has?

    Are you saying that a President cannot take military action which may be legal for him to take because he voiced opposition to previous military action taken years before in a different circumstance and in a different country?
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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yep, just ask Clinton. Lied under oath and got disbarred, fined... wasn't removed from office, never spent time behind bars, where most any other citizen would have ended up for perjury. Ask Martha Stewart, Libby (though this was a miscarriage of justice), and it looks like Barry Bonds.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Of course you do. I don't. I think Obama should start answering questions from Congress though.
    The War Powers Act requires him to do so.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Wise Biden: "Impeach Obama" and "support Bush' pre-emptive Doctrine"
    Pre-emption and pre-emptive war predate Bush by hundreds of years at least.
    The Bush doctrine involves something different—preventive war.
    The difference between preventive war and pre-emptive war is a wide one that's been recently blurred by certain parties. The invasion of Iraq was preventive, not pre-emptive. Now pre-emption has become newspeak for preventive.

    If Iraq had been an imminent threat to the US then the war was not an agressive war. It is part of a long sanctioned tradition of "preemption "Upon detecting evidence that an opponent is about to attack, one beats the opponent to the punch and attacks first to blunt the impending strike."

    As we all know, "For centuries, international law recognized that nations need not suffer an attack before they can lawfully take action to defend themselves against forces that present an imminent danger of attack. Legal scholars and international jurists often conditioned the legitimacy of preemption on the existence of an imminent threat—most often a visible mobilization of armies, navies, and air forces preparing to attack."
    Preventive war is based on the concept that war is inevitable and that it is better to fight now while the costs are low rather than later when the costs are high. It is a deliberate decision to begin a war."
    Pre-emptive strikes need no justification. They've been recognized as legit for centuries.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So yet again,for a time beyond count or calcualtion, this is merely the latest excuse to bash Omaba?
    Look, I disagree with his politics, and he provides a lot of fodder. Am I to close my eyes to his endless stream of mishaps to please my political opponents? I think not. I want peple to realize how pathetic he is and come election day 2011, vote his sorry Hopey/Changey Slim Shady ass out of office.

    What does any view of a citizen matter when they talk as a citizen or even an elected official compared to the actual power that a President of the USA has?
    Well, when it is the VP, a man selected by this president for his insight into foreign and military affairs, I think it matters. Of course, it was very nice of Leftists like you to never bring up Cheney... ROTFLOL.

    Are you saying that a President cannot take military action which may be legal for him to take because he voiced opposition to previous military action taken years before in a different circumstance and in a different country?
    In this case and how he went about it, how he is going about it and the ever changing grounds... 100% ABSOLUTELY.

    I do declare this seems to have really gotten under your thin skin.

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    Re: Could Obama be Impeached over Libya? Let's ask Biden

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The War Powers Act requires him to do so.
    ROTFLOL... What WAR? IT'S 'KINETIC MILITARY ACTION'.
    "Kinetic warfare." - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

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