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Farrakhan/Obama Doctrine and "these wicked demons"

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Does anyone know who "these wicked demons" are, and doesn't Farrakhan sound like The Obama Doctrine on Foreign Policy with Despots?

FARRAKHAN: "I warn my brother do you let these wicked demons move you in a direction that will absolutely ruin your future with your people in Africa and throughout the world...Why don't you organize a group of respected Americans and ask for a meeting with Qaddafi, you can't order him to step down and get out, who the hell do you think you are?



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Farrakhan doesn't deserve any attention. He's a life troll.
 
Does anyone know who "these wicked demons" are, and doesn't Farrakhan sound like The Obama Doctrine on Foreign Policy with Despots?

Farrakhan hates Obama's actions in the Muslim world, and he's all buddy-buddy with Gaddafi.

 
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Farrakhan doesn't deserve any attention. He's a life troll.
Farrakhan hates Obama's actions in the Muslim world, and he's all buddy-buddy with Gaddafi.

Guys, he is repeating the Obama/Farrakhan Foreign Policy of meeting with despots without preconditions.

Farrakhan and Rev. Wright are tight y'know. They aren't too far separated on the issues that really concern them, and Obama listened to that poison for 20-years, so you don't mind if I disagree that Farrakhan doesn't deserve any attention. He is reflective of the mindset this president was exposed to on a very regular basis and as a young impressionable man.

Obama had the choice to go to whichever house of worship he wanted, and he chose the house of poison.

Do you know who "these wicked demons" are?

Wright's Rag... My, look who share the same line? Three of a kind?
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I get it. You are trying to link Obama to bad things because you don't like him. For some reason you are trying to use links that didn't work during the campaign. IMO, this isn't very good fear mongering at all.
 
I get it. You are trying to link Obama to bad things because you don't like him. For some reason you are trying to use links that didn't work during the campaign. IMO, this isn't very good fear mongering at all.

I do not like his Marxist politics. I do not know him.

It's not fear mongering. Obama should have been booted so far from the race that he would have landed in the year 2024.
Quayle uses an uncommon spelling for potato, and he's assailed. Obama is raised by poison, hangs with terrorists and that is fear mongering? We should be fearful of such dolts.

Here is a good explanation of Wright and his Marxist Liberation Theology.


Did he not sit in Wright's house of poison for 20-years and not leave until Americans became outraged? It took Americans 20-minutes to figure out Wright, whereas it took Obama 20-years and a presidential campaign.
Is Wright not a pal of Farrakhan?
Does he not respect him? He did after all give Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.
Did he not go to Libya with Farrakhan?
Do they not sell the same poison?

Farrakhan sounds like he is mouthing the Obama Doctrine of Foreign Relations with Despots. No preconditions.

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I rest my case.
 
I get it. You are trying to link Obama to bad things because you don't like him. For some reason you are trying to use links that didn't work during the campaign. IMO, this isn't very good fear mongering at all.

Well, not so fast. The fear mongering during the 2008 campaign did not start until very late. If all the people who hate Obama, start the fear and loathing campaign early, they have a better chance of moving the early Presidential Candidate Poll Numbers in favor of Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, or Donald Trump.

So, this entire thread is right on time and it is the some the absolute best fear mongering you can find online. :roll:

I mean, really, what do you want. Do you really think they are going to talk about the President's accomplishments. That he's gotten more done for the country in two (2) years, both internationally and domestically, than the previous President had in eight (8). Is that what you were expecting.

Fear delivers votes. That's the bottom line. It causes people to support things like, unilateral, preemptive invasions of foreign lands, without cause, without evidence and without a U.N. resolution mandating the use of force in the absence of cause and evidence. In fact, fear makes it easy to get people to see what you want them to see, hear what you want them to hear and to participate in doing things that in their congruent mind, they would never do otherwise.

It is a psychological fact that people will do more to avoid Pain, than to gain Pleasure. Fear = Pain. The math is easy and that's why threads like this exist. Speak to the lowest common intellectual denominator, pump its mind with eternal fear and dread, and then sell as many Wolf Tickets as you can scalp at the voting both. That's the plan.

It is sick, sad, pathetic and hopeless, but hey - who the heck cares, just as long as the man named Barak 'Hussein-Louis-Abdul-Haleem-Farrakhan-Jeremiah-Alvesta-Wright-Ted-Unabomber-Kaczynski-Acorn-Scandal-CFR-Neocon-Muammar-Abu-Minyar-Al-Gaddafi-Muhammad-Hosni-Sayyid-Mubarak-Jack-The-Ripper-Timothy-James-McVeigh-Theodore-Robert-Bundy-Ivan-Frederick-Boesky-Saddam-Hussein-Abd-al-Majid-al-Tikriti-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Adolf-Hitler-Joseph-Vassarionovich-Stalin-Bolshevik-Revolution-William-Charles-Ayers-Anti-American' Obama, does not get re-elected in 2012, that's all that really matters to the United States of America.

Haven't you learned this lesson by now? Geeeepers, what's wrong with you! :roll:
 
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I do not like his Marxist politics. I do not know him.

Let's examine that statement for logical congruency, by reversing the order of the statement itself: You do not know him. You do not like his Marxist politics.

Well, if you don't know the man, then you can't possibly know that he's a Marxist. Oh, but you say: Heck, I never knew Karl, either. But, I sure know that he was the father of "Marxism."

To that I would say: How do you know that for certain? Did you ever meet Karl, and ask him? Did you ever study what Karl, proffered in the way of political ideology?

To that you would say: "Heck, yes! I studied Marxism in School, I full well know what Marxism looks like and Obama is a Marxist!

To that I would say: Prove it. Point to the Obama political ideology that pegs him as a card carrying Marxist?

To that you would say: "Obama Care! The Government take-over of Corporations! The Bank Bailouts! And, all those darn unnecessary Zcars! He's nailing us with more hidden taxes! He's blowing a hole through the deficit! All that government spending on stimulus! There's your proof right there that Obama is a Marxist."

To that I would say: When Ronald Reagan, was in office, did he bail-out the Savings & Loans? When Ronald Reagan, was in office, did he not start the deregulation phenomenon of the 80's that ultimately lead to the deregulation phenomenon of the 90's (drafted by three (3) Republicans and signed by Bill Clinton), which ultimately lead to the toxic assets and what Warren Buffet, called "Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction?" When Ronald Reagan, was in office, did the deficit grow by 300% by the time Bush 41 took office? When Bush 41, took office, did he not look the television camera straight in the eye and declare: Read My Lips, No New Taxes and then go on to sign one of the biggest tax increases in American history at that time? When George W. Bush, took office, did the National Debt rise to more than $11 Trillion before the end of his term as a direct result of two (2) unfunded wars and excessive spending? During the time Bush 43, was in office, did the United States see the worst GDP performance and the biggest loss of jobs, since the Great Depression? When Bush 43, was in office, did he send his Treasury Secretary to Capital Hill, to ask the Congress for the biggest single-shot hand-out ever in U.S. history, to both bail-out the banks and to stimulate the economy? When FDR, was in office, did he spend tax payer dollars on stimulus, where many economists now say that he did not spend enough tax dollars?

So, does that make: Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Barak Obama - all to a man, Marxists?

If not, then I question the logic of your underlying premise.


It's not fear mongering. Obama should have been booted so far from the race that he would have landed in the year 2024.

Ad hominem and hyperbolic rhetoric at best. Why? Explain precisely why his name should have been booted into the year 2024, when his competition included McCain and Palin. McCain, claiming that "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." and that "I don't know much about economics," while Palin, was asked to simply recite the "Bush Doctrine," and which rags she read to keep abreast of the current social and political events happening in the country and around the world, and she was flat-out unable to do either on national television. So, please explain why those performances would not see either McCain's or Palin's name booted into the year 2024.


Quayle uses an uncommon spelling for potato, and he's assailed.

He was well known for having the ability to connect the dots during open discussion, just as eloquently as George W. Bush, later become known for the same. The American People want to know that both the President and the Vice President are competent for the role, that's all. And, when you perpetually make the highlight reel on T.V.'s bloopers and practical jokes, some people get a little concerned - nothing more and nothing less. When you give wrong answers to questions that were never asked in a Presidential or Vice Presidential debate, or get your clock cleaned by your competitor, people might be interested in whether or not you can go the distance intellectually as either President or Vice President, that's all. Nothing personal.


Obama is raised by poison, hangs with terrorists and that is fear mongering? We should be fearful of such dolts.

George W. Bush, was on the bottle and smoking pot as an adult, should we have counted that against him? George W. Bush, was AWOL at the TANG, with not even his commanding officer knowing his whereabouts near the end of his duty period and to this date, nobody has ever collected the cash prize for locating and publishing his DD214, which would tell us (among other things) precisely what he was doing just before he was legally discharged. Shall we also hold that against him? George W. Bush, and George H.W. Bush, have numerous photos of both of them shaking hands with the Saudi Royals, from Saudi Arabia, where we know that terrorists have come from in the past. Shall we hold that against the Bush Family character? We all know that Osama Bin Laden, was a Saudi and we all know that on September 11th, 2001, when every single U.S. Citizen was grounded, that somebody allowed members of the Bin Laden Family to fly out of the country. Shall we play the game of six degrees and conclude that because the Bush Family is plastered all over the World Wide Web, seen holding hands, shaking hands and kissing Saudi's, that somehow one of the Bush men were responsible for allowing prime witnesses who might have had information about Osama Bin Laden's whereabouts, simply get on an aircraft and leave the country during a time when all U.S. flights had already been grounded?

George W. Bush, outright lied to the American People, the United States Congress and the United Nations about WMD that he knew was not in Iraq, and he either altered or had altered, the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's Continued Weapons of Mass destruction, in order to sell the story that Saddam was a threat to U.S. national security and thus the only way to deal with Saddam, was to launch a preemptive military invasion of his country. All lies - 100% of them. Lies which cost countless innocent deaths in Iraq. Innocent Men, Women and Children died because the Bush Administration decided that Oil PSA contracts to Transnationals, were worth more than human suffering it would take to get them. Now, shall we consider that type of character as flawed, too?

Should we likewise be equally as fearful of those types of "dolts.?"


Here is a good explanation of Wright and his Marxist Liberation Theology.

That's Wright. Which means that its "Wrong" to pretend that the man in the video is President Obama. My Pastor, has said things in the past that I don't agree with. Does that mean that I am dumbed down sufficiently to not be able to make distinctions between right and wrong, good and bad, health or unhealthy?

Furthermore, you play one video much the same way that Fox News plays the video - you fail to provide any context for the video, so you don't really know WHY Rev. Write is saying what he's saying, nor do you care to know and present the actual context of his words. You also play on video, as if the Pastor had been preaching on the exact same topic for the past 20 years. That's called pre-texting a conclusion not providing the actual context and then drawing a rational conclusion.

Farrakhan sounds like he is mouthing the Obama Doctrine of Foreign Relations with Despots. No preconditions.

And, this statement reads like its using the same talking points as Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. All pretext, no substance, irrational, illogical, six degrees of separation premised and full of good ole fashion hyper-political partisanship.

Precisely what the United States needs more of today. :roll:
 
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Well, not so fast. The revelations about Obama's past, his associations with racists and terrorists during the 2008 campaign did not start until very late because nobody new much about Obama and the journOlists were not interested in his background. If all the people who want to see Obama defeated, start adding up his failures and connect the dots to his background early, they have a better chance of moving the early Presidential Candidate Poll Numbers in favor of Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, or Donald Trump.

So, this entire thread has been hijacked by people who do not want to answer the question in the OP, and prefer to once again stick their heads in the sand during the upcoming presidential election.

I mean, really, what do you want? Do you really think they are going to revel in and celebrate the President's Marxist accomplishments? That he's done more to weaken the country in two (2) years, both internationally and domestically, than Jimmy Carter had in four (4). Is that what you were expecting?

Knowedge delivers votes. That's the bottom line. It causes people to support people like Ronald Reagen. Ignorance is what created the Liberal reaction calling our follow-up to Gulf War 1 and their demented and endless whining about unilateral, preemptive invasions of foreign lands, without cause, without evidence and without a U.N. resolution mandating the use of force in the absence of cause and evidence even though their side voted for the war, and stated Saddam had WMD as far back as 1998.

In fact, knowledge and honest reporting of the facts makes it easy to get people to see the truth by weighing the evidence, and make wise choices, Liberals on the other hand prefer ignorance because it causes people to do things they would never do otherwise, like vote for a Marxist. When his quantity is known, then you get a historic correction, as we did during the midterms.

Liberals lie about their intent, and they play a game many have become familiar with. It is a psychological fact that people will do more to avoid Pain, than to gain Pleasure, and that is why they create and exploit crisis, or in the words of Rahmbo... NEVER WASTE A CRISIS. Fear = Pain. The math is easy and that's why Libs speak to the lowest common intellectual denominator, it is why they breathlessly seek the youth vote and seek to scare senior citizens. They pump these folks minds with eternal fear and dread, and then sell as many Wolf Tickets as you can scalp at the voting both. That's the plan, and sometimes it works for the Libs, but it is getting less and less effective as they lose control of their media monopoly. Obama was a one off rabbit from the hat circus act, for it would be difficult to imagine a less qualified and anti-American candidate all rolled into one person. Geraldine Ferraro had it right on the money.

Libs think it is sick, sad, pathetic and hopeless to oppose a Marxist who had a racist Black Liberation Theology mentor that was close to Farrakhan. Libs think, hey - who the heck cares, just as long as I get my stuff for free, all's cool. The man named Barak 'Hussein' Obama, if he does not get re-elected in 2012, will claim the conservatives and the Tea Party are sick, sad, pathetic and hopeless, because all that really matters to them is something called the Constitution of the United States of America.

Haven't you learned this lesson by now? Geeeepers, what's wrong with you! :roll:
 
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Let's examine that statement for logical congruency, keeping the original order of the statement : I do not like his Marxist politics. I do not know him.

Well, if you don't know the man, then you surely mean you do not know the man personally but you know his politics and therefore can know that he's a Marxist by his history and actions. Oh, but you say: Heck, I understand for I never knew Karl, either, but, I sure know that he was the father of "Marxism."

To that I would say: I do know how you know that for certain for it is logical. Though you never met Karl, and asked him, and you never studied what Karl, proffered in the way of political ideology.

To that you would say: "Heck, yes! I've studied politics and that includes Marxism (text edited out), I full well know what Marxism looks like and Obama is a Marxist!

To that I would say "prove it". Point to the Obama political ideology like socialist healthcare and government solutions to every problem, his years at the feet of a Marxist as a mentor and such that pegs him as a card carrying Marxist?

To that you would say: "Obama Care! The Government take-over of Corporations! The Bank Bailouts! And, all those darn unnecessary Tzars (or Czars)! He's nailing us with more hidden taxes! He's blowing a hole through the deficit! All that government spending on stimulus! There's your proof right there that Obama is a Marxist."

To that I would say: When Ronald Reagan, was in office, did he bail-out the Savings & Loans and that would be a typical Leftist ploy for there were laws in place called the FDIC to insure banks and S&L's from failure.

When Ronald Reagan, was in office, did the deficit grow by 300% by the time Bush 41 took office, but a Leftist would never tell you goverment revenues went through the roof with all the jobs, low unemployment, but the Libs who controlled Congress kept spending when they promised to cut.

When Bush 41, took office, did he not look the television camera straight in the eye and declare: Read My Lips, No New Taxes and then go on to sign one of the biggest tax increases in American history at that time, but a Leftist would never tell you that Bush41 did it to get along, and that Libs would want to raise them even higher as Clinton had... so the highest marginal rate was 11% higher than Reagan.

When George W. Bush, took office, did the National Debt rise to more than $11 Trillion before the end of his term as a direct result of two (2) unfunded wars and excessive spending, but Leftists will never tell you he had to rebuild the military, yes he did spend more than Republicans wanted, and that of course is never told by leftists... nor do they tell you the Leftists wanted to spend more.

During the time Bush 43, was in office, did the United States see the worst GDP performance and the biggest loss of jobs, since the Great Depression, and the Leftists will never tell you that when Bush43 stated "My debt to GDP was the lowest or one of the lowest of modern presidents. My taxes to GDP was the lowest and my spending to GDP" was too, he was proven correct, as noted by Politifact when they stated: "This suggests that Bush's fiscal record wasn't so sterling if you use a different measure than the one he did. But to analyze the accuracy of his statement, we'll stick closely to the words he used. George W. Bush is correct that he outperformed his father, Reagan and (mostly) Clinton. So if you consider those the "modern" presidents, he's essentially right."

PolitiFact | Former President George W. Bush defends his fiscal record



When Bush 43, was in office, did he send his Treasury Secretary to Capital Hill, to ask the Congress for the biggest single-shot hand-out ever in U.S. history, to both bail-out the banks and to stimulate the economy, and Leftists will never tell you conservatives were against it, and we have been proven right.

When FDR, was in office, did he spend tax payer dollars on stimulus, where many economists now say that he did not spend enough tax dollars, but Leftists will ignore the likes of Milton Friedman and the sober case he makes that government exacerbated the problem



So, a Leftist would try to play coy games and state: Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Barak Obama - all to a man, are Marxists too then.

Then they would state something silly like "If not, then I question the logic of your underlying premise."
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Man... zimmer, you listen to way too much Limbaugh and Fox News. Go outside and take a breath of fresh air for a bit. Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory with you.
 
Man... zimmer, you listen to way too much Limbaugh and Fox News. Go outside and take a breath of fresh air for a bit. Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory with you.

LOL... where I live, and most places I travel there is no FOXNEWS. In the last 10-years I may have watched 40 hours max.

May I suggest most don't listen to enough Limbaugh... or Hannity, or Levin. whysonarrow? You see I listen to lib news and was one of Air Amerika's 16 listeners... it was great comedy.

Nobody answered the question of the OP... who are "these wicked demons"?

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Does anyone know who "these wicked demons" are, and doesn't Farrakhan sound like The Obama Doctrine on Foreign Policy with Despots?

Why should anyone care, its Farrakhan. :shrug:
 
Nobody answered the question of the OP... who are "these wicked demons"?
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Knowing Farrakhan he's probably on about Jews.
 
Why should anyone care, its Farrakhan. :shrug:

Because Wright and Farrakhan are tight, and Wright mentored Obama for 20-years... that's why.

Baltim: You win the prize.

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