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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    They are as divided as the Democrats. “Republican Reps. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Ron Paul (R-TX) and Justin Amash (R-MI)” are opposed to foreign intervention; see the OP, third link.
    But there has been no official position from the GOP like their has been on saying no to health care and and yes to tax cuts for the rich?
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    They are as divided as the Democrats. “Republican Reps. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Ron Paul (R-TX) and Justin Amash (R-MI)” are opposed to foreign intervention; see the OP, third link.
    Seems like good news that we have an issue not totally overcome by partisan politics. People actually saying what they believe versus the party line.

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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    They are as divided as the Democrats. “Republican Reps. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Ron Paul (R-TX) and Justin Amash (R-MI)” are opposed to foreign intervention; see the OP, third link.
    They're divided? I thought you said in your OP that Republican's move in "lockstep". It's funny that, to you, Dem disagreement means something positive, but Republican disagreement means they move in lockstep. Can you explain your numerous contradictions?
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    They're divided? I thought you said in your OP that Republican's move in "lockstep". …
    I think you misread, my point was that Republicans are divided, too, and are not marching lockstep to war.
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think you misread, my point was that Republicans are divided, too, and are not marching lockstep to war.
    My bad, Chappy. I reread your OP and I did misread it the first time.
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    I wonder if we haven't already given the President all the power to combat "terrorism" that he needs. The previous administration and the current one have launched attacks into other nations such as Pakistan in the name of anti-terrorism etc etc, and I am quite certain that some people would argue that if Libya became a failed state it would become a breeding ground for terrorist. If Presidents can stand at the podium in front of a world audience and shake their fist while threatening to take action against certain individual nations it's the same thing as launching a missile without congressional authorization IMO. My point is I believe that the Presidents have been given a blank check already when it comes to using our armed forces to contain any sort of threat that could be even remotely tied to terrorist activity(even when that future threat may not exist yet).

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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    I got into it with someone who claimed Bush went into Iraq without authorization but the votes were
    United States Senate
    Party Ayes Nays No Vote
    Republican 48 1 0
    Democratic 29 21 0
    Independent 0 1 0
    TOTALS 77 23 0

    United States House of Representatives
    Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
    Republican 215 6 0 2
    Democratic 82 126 0 1
    Independent 0 1 0 0
    TOTALS 297 133 0 3

    The Constitution is very clear on this and Obama cannot on his own declare war and call it what you will, when you attack another Nation it is by definition a declaration of War, meaning Obama violated the Constitution and his oath of office.

    This I see as a test for Obama to see what he can get away with before he's called on it, and has to back down.

    Nader, & Kucinich seem to be right.
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I got into it with someone who claimed Bush went into Iraq without authorization but the votes were
    United States Senate
    Party Ayes Nays No Vote
    Republican 48 1 0
    Democratic 29 21 0
    Independent 0 1 0
    TOTALS 77 23 0

    United States House of Representatives
    Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
    Republican 215 6 0 2
    Democratic 82 126 0 1
    Independent 0 1 0 0
    TOTALS 297 133 0 3

    The Constitution is very clear on this and Obama cannot on his own declare war and call it what you will, when you attack another Nation it is by definition a declaration of War, meaning Obama violated the Constitution and his oath of office.

    This I see as a test for Obama to see what he can get away with before he's called on it, and has to back down.

    Nader, & Kucinich seem to be right.
    I think Congress should vote on whether we continue to provide assistance to this NATO operation. By your count above, almost 3 times as many Republicans than Democrats voted on invading Iraq. It would be interesting to see how the vote would come out today on whether we should withdraw our support or not.

    I take it you are for withdrawing our support?
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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (Pub.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224, enacted September 18, 2001), one of two resolutions commonly known as "AUMF" (the other being "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"), was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.
    IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
    This has little to do with Iraq and more to do with the power given to the President concerning terrorism. If Libya could even remotely(someday)become a safe haven for the "bad guys" he would have the authority to act(legally speaking). Not to mention this is a matter of national security and congress will get stonewalled if there is a hearing/inquiry.

    Maybe the rules have changed since bush left office, I dunno.

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    Re: Nader, Kucinich call Libya action "impeachable"

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    This has little to do with Iraq and more to do with the power given to the President concerning terrorism. If Libya could even remotely(someday)become a safe haven for the "bad guys" he would have the authority to act(legally speaking). Not to mention this is a matter of national security and congress will get stonewalled if there is a hearing/inquiry.

    Maybe the rules have changed since bush left office, I dunno.
    This has nothing to do with fighting terrorism that I've read about. It is a NATO operation to prevent the leader of Libya from committing genocide of his own people.
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