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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It may depend on who wins the PR war. All I can say is that those Republican legislators were a brave lot. Every single one of them, with the exception of one who'd offered a compromise bill (to no one, since the Dems were hiding in Illinois), voted for this legislation. They did that because they truly believed in what they were doing for the state of Wisconsin...at great political risk to themselves. I hope it works out in their favor. It will -- if taxpayers are informed and paying attention.
    They both played by the rules... The rules are kind of messed up..

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    H Y P E R B O L E

    That's all the left has...err...LEFT. Think about it. Very entertaining.

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They both played by the rules... The rules are kind of messed up..
    The rules in WI allow the Democrats to leave the state to avid doing their jobs?

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The rules in WI allow the Democrats to leave the state to avid doing their jobs?
    The main primary job of any politician is to support and enact legislation their voters want and to oppose and prevent legislation their voters do not want. That's what they get elected to do. They did their job just like the republicans who found a way to enact anti-union legislation without a quorum did their job. To say these democrats did not do their job is a blatant lie. Until they change the quorum rules those in the minority will have that option to flee the state to stop a quorum.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The main primary job of any politician is to support and enact legislation their voters want and to oppose and prevent legislation their voters do not want. That's what they get elected to do. They did their job just like the republicans who found a way to enact anti-union legislation without a quorum did their job. To say these democrats did not do their job is a blatant lie.
    The Democrats job is to wuss out and leave the state to hold up a critical vote, rather than stay and argue for what they believe in? Give me a ****ing break. Every single Democrat who fled their state AND their duty should be recalled.

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The Democrats job is to wuss out and leave the state to hold up a critical vote, rather than stay and argue for what they believe in?

    Again a politicians primary job to oppose and prevent legislation their voters do not want and to support and enact legislation their voters want. Until they change the rules regarding quorums this is a legally available tool for the minority party to use. If you don't like democrats fleeing the state to prevent then contact your elected officials to change the rules regarding quorums.


    You and I both know that the only reason they wanted the democrats to be there is so that a quorum can go on.Not because they wanted the democrats to be there to argue.

    Give me a ****ing break. Every single Democrat who fled their state AND their duty should be recalled.
    Again they did their duty, just like the republicans did their duty.

    I know if some liberal government and liberal majority wanted to give free education to illegals, enact anti-2nd amendment legislation or ban military recruiters from schools I would want my elected officials who opposed those things to do any and everything they legally can to prevent those things from becoming law.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again a politicians primary job to oppose and prevent legislation their voters do not want and to support and enact legislation their voters want. Until they change the rules regarding quorums this is a legally available tool for the minority party to use. If you don't like democrats fleeing the state to prevent then contact your elected officials to change the rules regarding quorums.


    You and I both know that the only reason they wanted the democrats to be there is so that a quorum can go on.Not because they wanted the democrats to be there to argue.


    Again they did their duty, just like the republicans did their duty.

    I know if some liberal government and liberal majority wanted to give free education to illegals, enact anti-2nd amendment legislation or ban military recruiters from schools I would want my elected officials who opposed those things to do any and everything they legally can to prevent those things from becoming law.
    they... wussed...out.

    Period. End of story.

    They knew they couldn't follow the rules and win a vote, so they pulled a James T Kirk and tried to change the conditions of the game. Unlike Kirk, they don't get a commendation for original thinking.

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    they... wussed...out.

    Period. End of story.
    They used a legally available tactic to try to uphold the will of their voters and therefore did their job. Period. End of story.

    They knew they couldn't follow the rules and win a vote, so they pulled a James T Kirk and tried to change the conditions of the game. Unlike Kirk, they don't get a commendation for original thinking.
    What rules did they violate? Was it illegal for them to flee the state to prevent a quorum?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    they... wussed...out.

    Period. End of story.

    They knew they couldn't follow the rules and win a vote, so they pulled a James T Kirk and tried to change the conditions of the game. Unlike Kirk, they don't get a commendation for original thinking.
    James T Kirk ftw

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    Re: Nearly half of sigs collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems sa

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In only two weeks, Democrats have collected almost half the petitions they need to recall ALL EIGHT Republican State Senators who are eligible for recall, and the anger of Wisconsinites isn't diminishing. There is no doubt that Governor Walker will also be recalled, as soon as he becomes eligible next January.

    There is a moral to this story as well. If you are elected to do a job, do your job instead of waging an ideological war, and employing a slash and burn strategy in the process. Governor Walker is going to learn this lesson the hard way. He political future is toast, as well as Republican hopes of keeping Wisconsin in their column. You can also count on the fact that Democrats are going to make this a major issue in 2012.

    But it didn't have to be this way. Walker could have just implemented the cuts, as he promised in his campaign, and all would have been well. Instead, he is going to pay the political price for his political conniving with the Koch Brothers, as a recall even more historic than the one that send California's Governor Davis packing becomes a juggernaut that will not be stopped. Not until the wreckage of Wisconsin's GOP, seen by all, lays bare the lies, hypocrisy, backroom deals, and dirty tricks that led to it's destruction in that state.

    Article is here.
    The real moral of the story is that if you're elected to do a job in Wisconsin, don't run off to Illinois.

    Getting union signatures is one thing.

    Succeeding in the recall is something else. The fact that the union will be spending dues money seeking to overturn valid elections will only upset the 80% of voters in Wisconsin who aren't in public employees unions.

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