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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    As much as I'd like Palin to be the Republican nominee for purely cynical reasons, I don't think it's going to happen. According to InTrade, she's now the FIFTH most likely nominee, behind Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels, and Huckabee. In fact, InTrade is skeptical that she'll even run for president at all. Her odds of announcing a presidential bid by the end of 2011 are only trading at 43%.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As much as I'd like Palin to be the Republican nominee for purely cynical reasons, I don't think it's going to happen. According to InTrade, she's now the FIFTH most likely nominee, behind Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels, and Huckabee.
    For those of us not in the know, can you give us a quick heads-up on where each of those 5 potential nominees lie in the GoP spectrum? Which is the trad. con? Which the libertarian? Which neo-con interventionist? Which isolationist? Just the basics.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As much as I'd like Palin to be the Republican nominee for purely cynical reasons, I don't think it's going to happen. According to InTrade, she's now the FIFTH most likely nominee, behind Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels, and Huckabee. In fact, InTrade is skeptical that she'll even run for president at all. Her odds of announcing a presidential bid by the end of 2011 are only trading at 43%.
    Romney:
    Dead in the water. Reason? Romneycare.

    Pawlenty:
    Dead in the water. Reason? "We should have listened to Jimmy Carter"

    Daniels:
    Had potential, but no go. Reason? "Healthy Indiana Plan"

    Huckabee:
    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA No.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    For those of us not in the know, can you give us a quick heads-up on where each of those 5 potential nominees lie in the GoP spectrum? Which is the trad. con? Which the libertarian? Which neo-con interventionist? Which isolationist? Just the basics.
    Romney - I consider him a moderate. He's traditionally been relatively liberal on social issues (although he hasn't shown much backbone on them), supportive of health care reform, and pro-business. On foreign policy, he echoes a lot of George Bush's ideas, although without the swagger and arrogance that would likely lead us into another ill-conceived war. He's mostly supported by upper-class, educated, urban, moderate Republicans.

    Pawlenty - Ever since he waded into a possible presidential run, I think he's been trying to position himself as the generic Republican who toes the party line and doesn't piss anyone off. I think that strategy is unlikely to work, but it is what it is. Although he hasn't taken strong stances on much of anything, I would describe him as a "big government conservative." He'll probably appeal to the few people who don't like any of the other Republican candidates. Not a winning strategy IMO.

    Daniels - Although not a libertarian by any means, Mitch Daniels is probably the closest thing to a small-government conservative among the serious contenders. As a governor, he has been a big proponent of busting unions and cutting spending. He's asked for a "truce" on social issues, which I interpret as an indication that he's moderate-to-liberal on them. He has shown little interest in foreign policy, indicating that he may be more supportive of a moderate approach than he lets on. I think he appeals to well-educated libertarians and conservatives.

    Huckabee - Mike Huckabee tends to be the most overtly religious candidate in the race, and wears his Christianity on his sleeve. He's plainly a social conservative, but has sharp disagreements with the Republican orthodoxy on foreign policy. He described Bush's foreign policy as "arrogant" way back in 2007, even before it was cool for Republicans to do that. On economic issues, I think he's a moderate populist who probably fits into the "big government conservative" category as well. I think he'll mainly appeal to evangelical Christians and rural Republicans.

    Palin - She's the populist of the crowd, constantly attacking government bureaucrats, bankers, universities, the media, and the elite. She favors an aggressive foreign policy, a conservative social agenda, and lower taxes. It's unclear if she has any plans to cut spending. I think she appeals mainly to the low-income, uneducated subset of Republicans. But she may not even want to run for president.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Romney:
    Dead in the water. Reason? Romneycare.

    Pawlenty:
    Dead in the water. Reason? "We should have listened to Jimmy Carter"

    Daniels:
    Had potential, but no go. Reason? "Healthy Indiana Plan"

    Huckabee:
    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA No.
    Ya, but keep in mind that there was a laundry list of reasons why each of the potential Republican nominees in 2008 was unacceptable to the base. And they all were, to some extent. But the problem with this reasoning overlooks the obvious fact that SOMEONE will win the nomination.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Romney - I consider him a moderate. He's traditionally been relatively liberal on social issues (although he doesn't seem to care about them), supportive of health care reform, and pro-business. On foreign policy, he echoes a lot of George Bush's ideas, although without the swagger and arrogance that would likely lead us into another ill-conceived war. He's mostly supported by upper-class, educated, urban, moderate Republicans.

    Pawlenty - Ever since he waded into a possible presidential run, I think he's been trying to position himself as the generic Republican who toes the party line and doesn't piss anyone off. I think that strategy is unlikely to work, but it is what it is. Although he hasn't taken strong stances on much of anything, I would describe him as a "big government conservative." He'll probably appeal to the few people who don't like any of the other Republican candidates. Not a winning strategy IMO.

    Daniels - Although not a libertarian by any means, Mitch Daniels is probably the closest thing to a small-government conservative among the serious contenders. As a governor, he has been a big proponent of busting unions and cutting spending. He's asked for a "truce" on social issues, which I interpret as an indication that he's moderate-to-liberal on them. He has shown little interest in foreign policy, indicating that he may be more supportive of a moderate approach than he lets on. I think he appeals to well-educated conservatives.

    Huckabee - Mike Huckabee tends to be the most overtly religious candidate in the race, and wears his Christianity on his sleeve. He's plainly a social conservative, but has sharp disagreements with the Republican orthodoxy on foreign policy. He described Bush's foreign policy as "arrogant" way back in 2007, even before it was cool for Republicans to do that. On economic issues, I think he's a moderate populist who probably fits into the "big government conservative" category as well. I think he'll mainly appeal to evangelical Christians and rural Republicans.

    Palin - She's the populist of the crowd, constantly attacking bureaucrats, bankers, and the elite. She favors an aggressive foreign policy, a conservative social agenda, and lower taxes. It's unclear if she has any plans to cut spending. I think she appeals mainly to the low-income, uneducated subset of Republicans.
    Brilliant, Kandahar! Thank you so much. I'd never really heard of Pawlenty or Daniels before. I'm interested that there doesn't seem to be an all-out small-government libertarian-type. Is there one on the horizon? Or has the popular, mainstream Right kind of dispensed entirely with the idea of small government?
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ya, but keep in mind that there was a laundry list of reasons why each of the potential Republican nominees in 2008 was unacceptable to the base. And they were, to some extent. But the problem with this reasoning overlooks the obvious fact that SOMEONE will win the nomination.
    Of course someone will. I'm merely giving a "March 2011" POV from a conservative stance using the 2010 elections as a guide based on the rise of the tea party mentality driving conservatives to the polls. Cept Huckabee, that smarmy SOB can go suck an egg.

    Romney has the albatross of being a Mass. Gov that instituted a big government healthcare system.

    Pawlenty is a warmer, a big government can save the earth type that looks to Jimmy Carter for wisdom... that's gonna haunt him in the primaries.

    Daniels really says a lot of good things but his Indiana plan is gonna be a tough thing to over come.

    Palin probably won't even run and if she does it's unlikely she'd win. The media did a bang up job of destroying her, so now it's impossible ot have an honest discussion about her. She isn't perfect, but she's not the bumbling hick moron that so many claim she is.


    I think it's gonna be a dark horse, someone no one is really talking about right now.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Romney - I consider him a moderate. He's traditionally been relatively liberal on social issues (although he hasn't shown much backbone on them), supportive of health care reform, and pro-business. On foreign policy, he echoes a lot of George Bush's ideas, although without the swagger and arrogance that would likely lead us into another ill-conceived war. He's mostly supported by upper-class, educated, urban, moderate Republicans.

    Pawlenty - Ever since he waded into a possible presidential run, I think he's been trying to position himself as the generic Republican who toes the party line and doesn't piss anyone off. I think that strategy is unlikely to work, but it is what it is. Although he hasn't taken strong stances on much of anything, I would describe him as a "big government conservative." He'll probably appeal to the few people who don't like any of the other Republican candidates. Not a winning strategy IMO.

    Daniels - Although not a libertarian by any means, Mitch Daniels is probably the closest thing to a small-government conservative among the serious contenders. As a governor, he has been a big proponent of busting unions and cutting spending. He's asked for a "truce" on social issues, which I interpret as an indication that he's moderate-to-liberal on them. He has shown little interest in foreign policy, indicating that he may be more supportive of a moderate approach than he lets on. I think he appeals to well-educated libertarians and conservatives.

    Huckabee - Mike Huckabee tends to be the most overtly religious candidate in the race, and wears his Christianity on his sleeve. He's plainly a social conservative, but has sharp disagreements with the Republican orthodoxy on foreign policy. He described Bush's foreign policy as "arrogant" way back in 2007, even before it was cool for Republicans to do that. On economic issues, I think he's a moderate populist who probably fits into the "big government conservative" category as well. I think he'll mainly appeal to evangelical Christians and rural Republicans.

    Palin - She's the populist of the crowd, constantly attacking government bureaucrats, bankers, universities, the media, and the elite. She favors an aggressive foreign policy, a conservative social agenda, and lower taxes. It's unclear if she has any plans to cut spending. I think she appeals mainly to the low-income, uneducated subset of Republicans. But she may not even want to run for president.
    All except that last one were pretty good. See my last post on why I'm not surprised, sadden though.
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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    I really do not like Pawlenty, at all. He's a typical yes-man, and he has ZERO charisma. Even if he won a debate on substance, Bammy's flippant flowery bilge would override the court of public opinion.

    Unfortunately Romney is the man to beat. I like him as a person, but he has a lot of political baggage, and most evangelicals are too bigoted to vote for a follower of Joseph Smith.

    I do think someone unexpected will rise in the end, but Romney's infrastructure and cash are going to be a tough battle.

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    Re: Palin 'becoming Al Sharpton'?

    And Palin is not running. She is nothing more than a voice of conservative beliefs and a media whore. With nice legs.

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