Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 03-15-11 at 04:54 PM.
As for DEFICIT... again you are WRONG.
CBO projects record $1.2 trillion deficit - Jan. 7, 2009
This is from 14 days BEFORE Obama took office, and if we go by budget years, then the deficit is even worse during the last Bush budget going from 2008 to 2009. At best you can claim Obama had something to do with the budget after he took office, but by that time the deficit was already 1.2 trillion and in reality, most of the budget was set in stone by the Bush administration for most of 2009.The U.S. budget deficit in 2009 is projected to spike to a record $1.2 trillion, or 8.3% of gross domestic product, the Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
So like it or not, you BOTH are wrong and have been listening to too much Fox News propaganda and dont let the facts hit you on the way out.
Well, I agree with much of the coming GOP message, including the decline message. However, Obama is both an embracer and a polite ignorer of American Exceptionalism viewpoints. The sad part is too many liberals and conservatives have no idea what the hell American exceptionalism is. American conservatives only see American exceptionalism as a positive force that includes being the best at everything at all times, or perhaps having a special mission in the world (however you interpret that to be executed). This is only a small fraction of the belief. It is also the embrace that for whatever massive reasons, America is qualitatively different from most of the world in a great number of subjects. For American liberals, I think the problem is that they are too eager to think that American exceptionalism is only being the best at x, y, and z, and to them that notion is idiotic, so American exceptionalism to them becomes some sort of jingoistic nonsense. I completely reject that line of thinking because it tends to give the concept no validity at all, when that is historically and sociologically bankrupt. So indeed, American liberals over the past few decades have been awfully tempted to swing too much in an European direction for my taste.
Last edited by Fiddytree; 03-15-11 at 04:49 PM.
"We all of us know down here that politics is a tough game. And I don't think there's any point in being Irish if you don't know that the world is going to break your heart eventually."-Daniel Patrick Moynihan, December 5, 1963
On one hand, a small portion of conservatives or Republicans believe he is not an American citizen by means of birth. On the other hand, more believe that his beliefs and actions run contrary toward Americanism. I obviously think the former is ridiculous, but the second one has only slightly more validity, but still vastly misunderstood. The American creed in many respects is heard over and over again in his rhetoric and actions. Nevertheless, much of his policy actions could likewise be argued to run counter toward American notions of being skeptical about the vast expansion of the Welfare state and so forth. Americans view themselves as united by creed rather than explicitly shared common ancestral history like in Briton, so the slogan un-American or anti-American is truly an ideological one. Do not completely discount it, because it will be hard to suggest that American liberalism in the late 20th and early 21st century has not tried to downplay the uniquely American ideal or tried not to wager its success on becoming more like the rest of the industrialized western nations.
Last edited by Fiddytree; 03-15-11 at 04:58 PM.
Naw I'm kidding. The recession started the moment the last winning vote was cast for obama then voo-doo magic took over the US and a recession magically happened the day after.
knock knock... Do you remember when they declared the recession?