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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Unbelievable! Politico is showing its liberal bent here. I don't know about you, but I do see Obama as hostile to American exceptionalism. But to throw in the "birther" crap is over the top in my mind. What say you? To both questions: Is Obama responsible for American decline? and Is Politico a now hack site for using "birther" nonsense to make its point?

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    Every word in that entire article is obnoxiously true.

    What's odd, though, is that it come from the GOP, now - it use to come from the far-left, liberal camp. . . the whole "This isn't MY America as I was raised to see it." and so on.

    And I think it's unwise to chastise Europe - when you look at our nation's recent century of history - they ARE the reason why we "are #1" (according to mass numbers of patriots on all sides of the issues).
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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not true. Stop listening to Beck.

    The debt was 10.6 trillion when Obama took over in 2009, and is now 14.1 trillion.. that is in NO WAY a tripling.

    And if we go by budget years, then the debt under Obama budgets is gone from 11.8 trillion to 14.1 trillion.

    Now if you are looking for a tripling.. look at Reagan

    Bush took it for 5 trillion to almost 11 trillion.. that is a doubling.

    Like it or not, your comment is utterly false.
    Utter bull****, and you aren't worth the time.

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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    The decline of America started with GWB, and America's debt, or lack thereof, is not a symbol of American exceptionalism in the world.

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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is Obama responsible for American decline?
    That's a question only time can answer. Obama's real problem is he's not a politician. He tries to solve problems with logic, and we all know how logic can be twisted and turned around.

    What he really needs is a new speech writer, someone well versed in survival politics who can tell him how to avoid political land mines.

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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Utter bull****, and you aren't worth the time.
    His argument is worth a legit response...

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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not true. Stop listening to Beck.

    The debt was 10.6 trillion when Obama took over in 2009, and is now 14.1 trillion.. that is in NO WAY a tripling.

    And if we go by budget years, then the debt under Obama budgets is gone from 11.8 trillion to 14.1 trillion.

    Now if you are looking for a tripling.. look at Reagan

    Bush took it for 5 trillion to almost 11 trillion.. that is a doubling.

    Like it or not, your comment is utterly false.
    Not true. Stop listening to media matters and NPR.

    When Obama took office, there was a 400 billion dollar deficit. Now there is a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. He didn't triple the debt, he tripled the deficit. And considering the last 2 years Bush budgets were passed by a democratically controlled congress, you can't blame Bush for those.

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    http://redundapundit.com/blog/2009/0...ted-from-bush/

    When the Democrats regained control of Congress on January 4, 2007, the national debt was $8.67 trillion.
    It's now over 14 trillion. So nearly doubling the debt in 4 years. Good job, dems!
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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    America has declined and who all is responsible for it is not as important as having plans in mind to cure the problems.

    Using bad news for a campaign as I see it is very wrong. Obama got lucky but only because people were worked up into a frenzy of hate toward President Bush.

    As I have been saying right along it's time for a Statesman to come on the scene with a very positive workable, logical set of plans and do their best not to go on the attack because Obama or who ever it is on the Left is going to start of there.

    We need plans for a power source that is clean and relatively safe. It turns out that new technology is available for use in nuclear plants that eliminates the possibility of another situation as in on going in Japan. So there is that.

    As Donald Trump said we rescued the people of Iraq and so they need to be paying us back for it and there is no better way than with free oil. Iraq has the third largest oil reserves or was it the second.

    Next we could drop some of the Taxes that inhibit manufacturing along with stupid rules and regulations, and income taxes.

    There are lots of other things that could be done but someone has to present them in the right way and be forceful it it.
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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Utter bull****, and you aren't worth the time.
    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    dont let the facts hit you too hard! You can look up your debt load from 1993 and every day until today if you want!
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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    America has declined and who all is responsible for it is not as important as having plans in mind to cure the problems.
    Yup... we need someone capable in the WH.

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    Re: GOP 2012 theme: American 'decline'

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Not true. Stop listening to media matters and NPR.

    When Obama took office, there was a 400 billion dollar deficit. Now there is a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. He didn't triple the debt, he tripled the deficit. And considering the last 2 years Bush budgets were passed by a democratically controlled congress, you can't blame Bush for those.

    Obama
    Bush could have vetoed those budgets... that's like saying the GOP is responsible for Obama's f**k ups now

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