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Unions threaten Business

Mach said:
Please tell me the death tax vs. inheritance tax debate did not ooze into this thread. It's wealth redistribution. Love it or hate it, but take it to the other thread please. I was trying to learn more reasons to scorn unions than I already do, thank you :)
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That discomfort when you think of some things at the same time is called Cognitive Dissonance. You should look it up. It will help you hate much more clearly!
 
TurtleDude said:
the military is clearly a proper federal function
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Yes, but clearly not in its current form, as it allows the US to "indulge in the urge to empire". No army funded for over two years. That's what it says.
 
What if...? said:
Yes, but clearly not in its current form, as it allows the US to "indulge in the urge to empire". No army funded for over two years. That's what it says.
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the army has plausible legitimacy. most of the New Deal crap does not and was originally declared unconstitutional
 
What if...? said:
I'm not in the slightest envious. I've always managed to get as much as I feel like getting.

I just lack the gene or whatever that makes some people need way more than they actually need. To the extent they willfully take it out of someone else's mouth.

Now say only liberals want to take the truffles from the mouths of those who simply earned their fine wine. Or whatever. And don't forget the envy part, and never for a moment acknowledge any point made by anyone that differs from your point of view. You got it from God, or something.

I still disrespect you for having the life you claim and wasting it bitching at lefties on this forum.

You have a life.

You should act like it.
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want to know what is really a stupid argument

being on this board and claiming someone else on this board is wasting their time. its like a whore with 10 clients claiming a girl with 20 is "unchaste'

and you have no clue what I do for others and how I spend my time
 
TurtleDude said:
want to know what is really a stupid argument

being on this board and claiming someone else on this board is wasting their time. its like a whore with 10 clients claiming a girl with 20 is "unchaste'

and you have no clue what I do for others and how I spend my time
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Everyone here knows where you spend a lot of it.

And if you feel like you're not wasting your life then go for it. If you think you've changed any minds then keep it coming.
 
What if...? said:
Everyone here knows where you spend a lot of it.

And if you feel like you're not wasting your life then go for it. If you think you've changed any minds then keep it coming.
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It's been my experience on forums that there are those, when they run out of ammunition, who point to the other side and say one of two things:

#1 You spend waaaaay too much time on here, dude.
#2 You're new...what do you know?

One is none of your business and sneaky implied criticism. The other is just plain wrong....in most cases.
 
What if...? said:
Everyone here knows where you spend a lot of it.

And if you feel like you're not wasting your life then go for it. If you think you've changed any minds then keep it coming.
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Sorry about that, I'm trying to quit getting so frustrated.

I don't hate you, hell I was even agreeing with you at one point on the 2nd amend when you took a right on me.

I just get frustrated with those who are certain they are right. And won't concede any point. That's not debate. Just "is not" "is so" bs. I don't ignore people, because usually people do have things in common. And that's where dialogue begins.

But I read your posts for amusement, and then get angry. And that's not right.

Again, sorry for being a dick.:2wave:
 
What if...? said:
Sorry about that, I'm trying to quit getting so frustrated.

I don't hate you, hell I was even agreeing with you at one point on the 2nd amend when you took a right on me.

I just get frustrated with those who are certain they are right. And won't concede any point. That's not debate. Just "is not" "is so" bs. I don't ignore people, because usually people do have things in common. And that's where dialogue begins.

But I read your posts for amusement, and then get angry. And that's not right.

Again, sorry for being a dick.:2wave:
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^^ Kewl!! :peace
 
What if...? said:
So...according to this the Federal Reserve and the standing Army must be dissolved?

That's what it SAYS.

Or are we cherrypicking again?
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Congress is granted authority to control the money supply. and the Army just has to be reauthorized every two years. though frankly i wouldn't mind getting rid of the Fed.
 
cpwill said:
it suddenly occurs to me. you really wouldn't, would you.
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Because I live in the real world and not the right wing fantasy that some here inhabit, it is very difficult to appreciate the rantings of those who willfully try pretend the twentieth century can be repealed.
 
haymarket said:
Because I live in the real world and not the right wing fantasy that some here inhabit, it is very difficult to appreciate the rantings of those who willfully try pretend the twentieth century can be repealed.
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really. Silly little "Constitution". thinking it can stand in the way of The 20th Century. :roll:
 
I wonder if this kind of thing is helpful...or hurtful to the unions' cause:

Union Warns of Boycotts in Wisconsin for Lack of Support

Some members of the State Employees Union are warning businesses in Wisconsin to either support collective bargaining for public employees or face a boycott.

A letter from Council 24 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees asks businesses to express support by displaying a sign in their window. The letter says failing to support the union will mean a public boycott of the business. And, that neutral means 'no' to supporting the union.

Jim Haney from the Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce calls the union's letter appalling. Haney says businesses shouldn't be forced to choose if they want to remain neutral.

Council field representative Jim Parrett, who signed the letter, tells the Journal Sentinel that he has gotten threatening phone calls since the letters were distributed, as well as calls of support.
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KAALtv.com - Union Warns of Boycotts in Wisconsin for Lack of Support
 
cpwill said:
really. Silly little "Constitution". thinking it can stand in the way of The 20th Century. :roll:
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Actually the court has spoken and I have no problem with their 20th century rulings.

...... Unlike others here who want to turn back the clock before the progressive era.
 
Kinda looks like Scotty is getting his hand slapped.:2wave:

(Update: Walker administration will comply with judge's order halting collective bargaining law)

(The state's new law to dramatically limit collective bargaining for public workers has not been published and is not in effect, a judge said Thursday.)

(State Department of Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch said Thursday he thinks the law is in full force, but agreed to stop implementing it.)

("While I believe the budget repair bill was legally published and is indeed law, given the most recent court action we will suspend the implementation of it at this time," Huebsch said. "DOA will continue to abide by the court orders, like the department has)

Update: Walker administration will comply with judge's order halting collective bargaining law
 
haymarket said:
Because I live in the real world and not the right wing fantasy that some here inhabit, it is very difficult to appreciate the rantings of those who willfully try pretend the twentieth century can be repealed.
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right wing fantasy being a desire for less parasites, more independence, less government, more prosperity and less income redistribution

IE the ideals this country was founded upon
 
cpwill said:
really. Silly little "Constitution". thinking it can stand in the way of The 20th Century. :roll:
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Haymarket labors under the delusion known as the leftward ratchet of history and jurisprudence. Once things move left, he will howl that any attempts to overturn marxist or socialist nonsense is anti progress.

true progress is making people less dependent on a nanny state and subservient to Kings, Lords and Dictators. IN that sense, Locke and Rousseau would call Haymarket's Ilk "reactionaries"
 
TurtleDude said:
right wing fantasy being a desire for less parasites, more independence, less government, more prosperity and less income redistribution

IE the ideals this country was founded upon
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I find it interesting that someone who gets paid by the taxpayer and is dependent on the tax revenue for a salary would talk about parasites, don't you?
 
Conservative said:
I find it interesting that someone who gets paid by the taxpayer and is dependent on the tax revenue for a salary would talk about parasites, don't you?
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I don't know if haymarket is still paid by the taxpayers. some government employees actually earn their salary. Most FBI, DEA federal judges and prosecutors etc.
 
Says the "Tick" sucking on the life blood of others...;)


haymarket said:
Because I live in the real world and not the right wing fantasy that some here inhabit, it is very difficult to appreciate the rantings of those who willfully try pretend the twentieth century can be repealed.
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TurtleDude said:
Haymarket labors under the delusion known as the leftward ratchet of history and jurisprudence. Once things move left, he will howl that any attempts to overturn marxist or socialist nonsense is anti progress.

true progress is making people less dependent on a nanny state and subservient to Kings, Lords and Dictators. IN that sense, Locke and Rousseau would call Haymarket's Ilk "reactionaries"
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hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....
 
randel said:
hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....
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Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
 
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