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Ikari said:
If you voted for Bush, you supported big spending, big government, big brother, big deficit, big war government. Obama is only carrying on the Bush doctrine of ever expansive government.
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compare Bush's two justices to Clinton's two and Obama's two
 
conservative said:
do you realize what a pawn you are of the radical left? Or could it actually be that you are part of the radical left?
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I am, have been, and will be only one thing - an American.
 
haymarket said:
I am, have been, and will be only one thing - an American.
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And obviously I am not? You and I have absolutely nothing in common and if what you say is true then you are indeed a pawn of the radical left. Nothing the radical left stands for is based upon the foundation upon which this country was built, individual responsibility and individual wealth creation. You and your ilk never accept personal responsibility and rely on dependence for you livlihood. It is always someone else's responsiblity for your own failures. I will put my 64 years up against your entire lifetime any day both personally and professionally.
 
haymarket said:
Thanks Dude. Two more great reasons why Bush sucks.
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hah, main difference between Bush's pick and Obama's was that Harriet Meirs didn't make it, and Sotomayor did
 
Conservative said:
And obviously I am not? You and I have absolutely nothing in common and if what you say is true then you are indeed a pawn of the radical left. Nothing the radical left stands for is based upon the foundation upon which this country was built, individual responsibility and individual wealth creation. You and your ilk never accept personal responsibility and rely on dependence for you livlihood. It is always someone else's responsiblity for your own failures. I will put my 64 years up against your entire lifetime any day both personally and professionally.
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This judgmental personal attack has been sponsored by Right Wing Ideology... remember the slogan we live by is I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP.

I do not remember saying anything about you not being an American. You really need to see CITIZEN KANE.
 
haymarket said:
This judgmental personal attack has been sponsored by Right Wing Ideology... remember the slogan we live by is I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP.

I do not remember saying anything about you not being an American. You really need to see CITIZEN KANE.
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Yes, I remember that slogan being one of the ten biggest lies. Thanks for reminding me.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I remember that slogan being one of the ten biggest lies. Thanks for reminding me.
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You seem a bit grumpy today om.Was the Metamucil not shaken but stirred?:2wave:
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I remember that slogan being one of the ten biggest lies. Thanks for reminding me.
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Tell that to the Republicans who control my state government. They now believe that Big Government is the answer to all our problems and are willing to kill democracy for it.
 
haymarket said:
Tell that to the Republicans who control my state government. They now believe that Big Government is the answer to all our problems and are willing to kill democracy for it.
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And what state would that be and when did they take over? Haven't seen a Republican Governor not take on labor unions, expensive entitlement programs, and expansion of govt.
 
Conservative said:
And what state would that be and when did they take over? Haven't seen a Republican Governor not take on labor unions, expensive entitlement programs, and expansion of govt.
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Michigan. The GOP united to pass several laws taking away local democratic rights including the right to vote for your own public officials and your own local government. They are in the process of passing several more including ordering local units how to negotiate contracts.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704360404576206603444375580.html

This indeed is Big Brother - Big Government roaring in to local communities and telling local people what it good for them. And to a man it is all Republican backed without one Dem voting for it.
 
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haymarket said:
Michigan. The GOP united to pass several laws taking away local democratic rights including the right to vote for your own public officials and your own local government. They are in the process of passing several more including ordering local units how to negotiate contracts.

Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

This indeed is Big Brother - Big Government roaring in to local communities and telling local people what it good for them. And to a man it is all Republican backed without one Dem voting for it.
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Just as I thought, when did the Republicans take over the Michigan govt? LOL, such high expectations for a couple months in operation after years of Democrat controlled disasters. Too bad you don't set the same standards for Democrats?
 
haymarket said:
Michigan. The GOP united to pass several laws taking away local democratic rights including the right to vote for your own public officials and your own local government. They are in the process of passing several more including ordering local units how to negotiate contracts.

Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

This indeed is Big Brother - Big Government roaring in to local communities and telling local people what it good for them. And to a man it is all Republican backed without one Dem voting for it.
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God Bless Rick Snyder..........

.....telling bankrupt poverty laden crime stricken liberal cities whats good for them.
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haymarket said:
Michigan. The GOP united to pass several laws taking away local democratic rights including the right to vote for your own public officials and your own local government. They are in the process of passing several more including ordering local units how to negotiate contracts.
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this is good intentions gone bad (again). if the localities want to go bankrupt, the State should let them. So long as the State isn't on the hook for those union contracts (and if they are, of course, then they have every right to intervene), if the township or city wants to be fiscally irresponsible that should be their own prerogative. that being said, equalizing the playing field between the state-wide (or nation-wide) unions and the local councils is generally a good goal; local government should be granted wide authority to defend itself from them.
 
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haymarket said:
Michigan. The GOP united to pass several laws taking away local democratic rights including the right to vote for your own public officials and your own local government. They are in the process of passing several more including ordering local units how to negotiate contracts.

Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

This indeed is Big Brother - Big Government roaring in to local communities and telling local people what it good for them. And to a man it is all Republican backed without one Dem voting for it.
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How was Michigan doing prior to the new gov? What is the unemployment in...say...Detroit. Still at 30%? And didnt you say you were a shill for an elected demcrat politician now that you are no longer shilling JUST for unions? Bias much?
 
Conservative said:
Just as I thought, when did the Republicans take over the Michigan govt? LOL, such high expectations for a couple months in operation after years of Democrat controlled disasters. Too bad you don't set the same standards for Democrats?
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Did you not read the article on the new law just passed by Republicans in both houses of the Michigan legislature and signed by the Republican Governor without one single Democratic vote of support?
 
VanceMack said:
How was Michigan doing prior to the new gov? What is the unemployment in...say...Detroit. Still at 30%? And didnt you say you were a shill for an elected demcrat politician now that you are no longer shilling JUST for unions? Bias much?
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What does any of that have to do with Republicans passing the new Emergency Manager law taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government?

Attacking me personally does not change what the Republicans in Michigan have done.
 
haymarket said:
Did you not read the article on the new law just passed by Republicans in both houses of the Michigan legislature and signed by the Republican Governor without one single Democratic vote of support?
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Figures...damned party of NO. No answers...just tax and spend, tax and spend.
 
haymarket said:
What does any of that have to do with Republicans passing the new Emergency Manager law taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government?

Attacking me personally does not change what the Republicans in Michigan have done.
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How is stating the truth 'attacking you'? Need a binky?

How is your states economy doing? How is your unemployment rate? What is the status of the auto industry...didnt your state once upon a time lead the world? Whahappun???
 
Badmutha said:
God Bless Rick Snyder..........

.....telling bankrupt poverty laden crime stricken liberal cities whats good for them.
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Your sainted idol Ronnie Reagan said the most feared words in the English language were "I'm'' from the government and I'm here to help". Poor Ronnie is probably rolling over in his grave as what his party has done in Michigan abolishing local peoples votes and the right to have their own local government.

Another Republican President - Abraham Lincoln is probably resting rather uneasy in Springfield knowing that the party he helped put on the map no longer believes in a "government of the people, by the people and for the people". Or at least the first two thirds of it.
 
VanceMack said:
How is stating the truth 'attacking you'? Need a binky?

How is your states economy doing? How is your unemployment rate? What is the status of the auto industry...didnt your state once upon a time lead the world? Whahappun???
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What in the world do I have to do with Republicans in Michigan passing the law which gets rid of the local citizens right to elect and have their own government? Why are you trying to focus on me?
 
haymarket said:
What does any of that have to do with Republicans passing the new Emergency Manager law taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government?

Attacking me personally does not change what the Republicans in Michigan have done.
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"Currently three Michigan cities—Pontiac, Ecorse and Benton Harbor—and Detroit's school district have emergency financial managers because they are in dire financial shape.

Many more are on the brink. This week, Flint received state backing for a $8 million bond issue to ease a cash shortage. Hamtramck, a small enclave surrounded by Detroit, is also seeking an emergency loan from the state."

Taken from your article...maybe the reason the governor is having to lead is because so many of your cities are digging massive financial holes? Im guessing if their massive debt wasnt impacting the state he could just ignore them...watch Detroit implode on itself. Hey...BTW...how many schools are they closing in Detroit because they cant afford to pay their unionized teachers? And what is the average Detroit literacy rate? You would know, right? I mean...being hooked up with an elected dem...how would you grade the Detroit school system? A? B? Whats worse than F???
 
VanceMack said:
Figures...damned party of NO. No answers...just tax and spend, tax and spend.
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I think patience and memory are the keys that will close the door on the republicans in 2012
 
haymarket said:
What in the world do I have to do with Republicans in Michigan passing the law which gets rid of the local citizens right to elect and have their own government? Why are you trying to focus on me?
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You are the one whining about the republicans...so lets stick with the issues. What is the state of your state? What did the republican governor inherit? How are your cities doing? How is your unemployment?
 
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