Unions threaten Business

MaggieD · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
randel, are you a leftwing zealot or simply a pawn for the unions to use for their own benefits? How are the following industries working out for you as these are examples of union "successes?" How many of these industries have had bankruptcies, massive layoffs, going out of business sales, or mergers just to stay in existence thanks to the unions. How did the unions help the people in those industries keep their jobs?

Steel
Automobiles
Railroads
Airlines
Education
Government workers
Longshoremen
Coal mines
Mariners

Coal mines. I firmly believe in unions in the coal industry. OMG, what these men have had to endure. Coal mines are so often located in very rural areas. Without unions, they'd make peanuts as, many times, they're the only game in town. Certainly some of your other examples give one pause.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

Ikari said:
Yeah, and Republicans believe 1% tax rate will solve all problems.

Conservatives don't believe in a 3.7 trillion dollar bloated, bureaucratic Govt. led by a Community Organizer without any leadership skills.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

MaggieD said:
Coal mines. I firmly believe in unions in the coal industry. OMG, what these men have had to endure. Coal mines are so often located in very rural areas. Without unions, they'd make peanuts as, many times, they're the only game in town. Certainly some of your other examples give one pause.

Maggie, I come from a coal mining family, my dad, his brothers, and father worked in the coal mines in Ky and West Virginia. None of them supported the working conditions and initially supported the unions but with all liberal programs they outlive their usefulness, got too powerful and destroyed the business may familly was in. There has to be a happy medium and unions have exceeded their usefulness.

MaggieD · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Maggie, I come from a coal mining family, my dad, his brothers, and father worked in the coal mines in Ky and West Virginia. None of them supported the working conditions and initially supported the unions but with all liberal programs they outlive their usefulness, got too powerful and destroyed the business may familly was in. There has to be a happy medium and unions have exceeded their usefulness.

This could certainly be. My family is no longer in the coal mining industry, so I'm unaware.

Manchester, KY -- near Hazard.

Amazed · Mar 22, 2011

Keynesian Tyrant.

Regardless, this is more evidence of the tyrannical Union policies that have run amok for decades.

Jetboogieman said:
We can stop taking you seriously right about here... :coffeepap

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

MaggieD said:
This could certainly be. My family is no longer in the coal mining industry, so I'm unaware.

Manchester, KY -- near Hazard.

Louisa, Van Lear, Paintsville, and then Logan, W. Va.

Ikari · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Conservatives don't believe in a 3.7 trillion dollar bloated, bureaucratic Govt. led by a Community Organizer without any leadership skills.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whatever, don't believe for one moment that "conservatives" aren't partly at fault for the bloated government and deficit we currently have. But I guess you differentiated from Bush in all that by putting "Community Organizer" in there. Otherwise, it's the same. Conservatives...HA. Part of the problem if you ask me.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

Ikari said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whatever, don't believe for one moment that "conservatives" aren't partly at fault for the bloated government and deficit we currently have.

Please don't confuse all Conservatives with Republicans, many Repubilcans aren't conservative and not all Conservatives are Republicans. Many are Libertarian

Ikari · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Please don't confuse all Conservatives with Republicans, many Repubilcans aren't conservative and not all Conservatives are Republicans. Many are Libertarian

True conservatives went the way of the dinosaur or got pissed off and joined the libertarians. All we have left are big government, big spending, big deficit, big war proponents. They call themselves different titles to make it seem like there are 2; but they're essentially the same.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

Ikari said:
True conservatives went the way of the dinosaur or got pissed off and joined the libertarians. All we have left are big government, big spending, big deficit, big war proponents. They call themselves different titles to make it seem like there are 2; but they're essentially the same.

I certainly hope that some day I can be as intelligent as you think you are. I am a conservative, proud of being a conservative and don't fit into that stereotype you just created. I don't believe in the bloated, big govt. we have today and the Community Organizer President we have today. Big spending, big govt. big deficit proponents are the minority and they seem to be the most vocal. There are more conservatives than you want to admit.

Now back to the thread topic, big unions are declining in membership and become more vocal and more violent. They will do just about anything to stay in existence and regain power.

Donc · Mar 22, 2011

Badmutha said:
Yes of course.......Democrats believe a 99% tax rate will solve all problems........except slavery.
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Nah,a pre reagan tax-rate of 70% would do just fine.:2wave:

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

donc said:
Nah,a pre reagan tax-rate of 70% would do just fine.:2wave:

Right, with all those deductions as well? think we paid more in taxes then or now?

Donc · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Right, with all those deductions as well? think we paid more in taxes then or now?

I did...guess I didn’t have enough deductions then.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

donc said:
I did...guess I didn’t have enough deductions then.

Doubt you were old enough then to have a job for if you were you would understand that no one paid 70% tax rates and the govt. is collecting a lot more today than then even with the lower rates. The system today is very progressive which should make liberals ecstatic

Donc · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Doubt you were old enough then to have a job for if you were you would understand that no one paid 70% tax rates and the govt. is collecting a lot more today than then even with the lower rates. The system today is very progressive which should make liberals ecstatic

I do know that my Union dues were tax deductible, as was the interest on my car payments but alas, the baseball bats were not.

Badmutha · Mar 22, 2011

randel said:
hmmmm...is it possible that maybe only 9 deserved to be fired?

Statistically speaking......it would be more possible for monkeys to fly out of your butt....going by the numbers.

or do you have a certain number in mind that have to be terminated each year to make you happy?

3 words.....Detroit....Public....Schools.....

on another note....badmutha, you are a lazy , incompetent slob, and a stain on the planet....wow, that was fun, i was able to label you without any proof whatsoever, without knowing you, knowing your work habits....

....my fellow Union slob brother.
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Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

donc said:
I do know that my Union dues were tax deductible, as was the interest on my car payments but alas, the baseball bats were not.

Great point, so does it really matter what the tax rates are or does it matter how much tax revenue is collected? However what does any of this have to do with the thread topic? Seems to me that you are trying the derail another thread?

Donc · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Great point, so does it really matter what the tax rates are or does it matter how much tax revenue is collected? However what does any of this have to do with the thread topic? Seems to me that you are trying the derail another thread?

Thread topic is = Unions threaten Business

The first sentence, of your first post in the thread = randel, are you a leftwing zealot or simply a pawn for the unions to use for their own benefits? :lamo

TurtleDude · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
Louisa, Van Lear, Paintsville, and then Logan, W. Va.

Conservative · Mar 22, 2011

donc said:
Thread topic is = Unions threaten Business

The first sentence, of your first post in the thread = randel, are you a leftwing zealot or simply a pawn for the unions to use for their own benefits? :lamo

uh, what does any of that have to do with tax rates which you raised?

Donc · Mar 22, 2011

Conservative said:
uh, what does any of that have to do with tax rates which you raised?

Try to keep up.I was responding to this in post #611.:roll:

Originally Posted by Badmutha

Yes of course.......Democrats believe a 99% tax rate will solve all problems........except slavery.
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cpwill · Mar 23, 2011

donc said:
Nah,a pre reagan tax-rate of 70% would do just fine.:2wave:

ahhh... you think that we've been growing our economy too much, eh?

cpwill · Mar 23, 2011

MaggieD said:
Coal mines. I firmly believe in unions in the coal industry. OMG, what these men have had to endure. Coal mines are so often located in very rural areas. Without unions, they'd make peanuts as, many times, they're the only game in town. Certainly some of your other examples give one pause.

well yes; in a labor monospony, a union can often be the only way of maintaining competition.

Ikari · Mar 23, 2011

Conservative said:
I certainly hope that some day I can be as intelligent as you think you are. I am a conservative, proud of being a conservative and don't fit into that stereotype you just created. I don't believe in the bloated, big govt. we have today and the Community Organizer President we have today. Big spending, big govt. big deficit proponents are the minority and they seem to be the most vocal. There are more conservatives than you want to admit.

Now back to the thread topic, big unions are declining in membership and become more vocal and more violent. They will do just about anything to stay in existence and regain power.

If you voted for Bush, you supported big spending, big government, big brother, big deficit, big war government. Obama is only carrying on the Bush doctrine of ever expansive government.

Conservative · Mar 23, 2011

Ikari said:
If you voted for Bush, you supported big spending, big government, big brother, big deficit, big war government. Obama is only carrying on the Bush doctrine of ever expansive government.

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic? I voted for Bush because his opponent was Gore who would have been worse, IMO. I voted for Bush again when his opponent was Kerry, again a better alternative. Now who should I have voted for with those options? I refuse to waste my vote and thus vote for the better alternative, now back to the thread topic.

Unions threaten Business

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