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The idea of the tax cuts was to stimulate economic growth, the tax cuts worked China is doing great so is India. Their are still many third world countries that can use the economic stimulus that our tax dollars will provide so lets leave the tax cuts in place

LOL! Well, I knew the jobs weren't created here!
 
=Catawba;1059355787]Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.

Okay … if thats what you think … then tell me who is going to create the jobs we need ?? Are you ? Are the 40 percent that pay no federal income taxes? Just tell me who in your opinion, who is going to create those jobs ?? The only one left is the government .. is that what you are preaching for?



We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?

It worked pretty damn well for nearly 20, then we started shipping jobs out of this country. you need to face the facts, we have lost our industrial jobs, those were the job that kept our middle class going. We are becoming a service oriented country, and no amount of education, is going to make service jobs pay well. Health care, hmmm you want it here, and nearly every country that has it, is trying to get out from under it ... doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.

I said nothing about taxes, I said we "waged" ourselves out of the global marketplace.
 
Okay … if thats what you think … then tell me who is going to create the jobs we need ?? Are you ?

Did corporations stop producing jobs when we had a progressive tax system? Please provide proof of this.


It worked pretty damn well for nearly 20,

Yes, 20 years of deficit spending because we didn't have enough money to pay our bills, until Clinton raised taxes slightly. Then Bush lowered them again and we've had deficit spending for another ten years. All the while, the standard of the middle class declined. The rich did get richer but that's as far as the benefit was felt.


then we started shipping jobs out of this country. you need to face the facts, we have lost our industrial jobs, those were the job that kept our middle class going.

Yes, greed, don't you love it? We give them tax breaks and they turn their backs on us. I say we break them lose. Why should we continue to support those that take jobs overseas?


We are becoming a service oriented country, and no amount of education, is going to make service jobs pay well.

Without education, we aren't going anywhere. We just continue our decline.

Health care, hmmm you want it here, and nearly every country that has it, is trying to get out from under it ... doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

Try reading learning about health care in other countries from sources other than Fox and you get an entirely different picture. We have the most expensive health care system in the world and get poorer results for all our people.



I said nothing about taxes, I said we "waged" ourselves out of the global marketplace.

Yes, I know that is your opinion. However, many of us feel we do not need to lower workers wages and living conditions to those of dictator run countries to compete.
 
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It was you saying I have been incessantly whining when all I did was point out facts of the system. You went and drama queened your way in with the childish penis jokes while sitting on your high horse which was on your soap box.

OH...I get it...you and your thankyou buddy along with multiple other folk here DONT post regularly about 'rich' folk...and you and your little thank you buddy DIDNT bring up the evil rich people. That was me...right? :lamo
 
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Catawba;1059355872]Did corporations stop producing jobs when we had a progressive tax system? Please provide proof of this.

Thats not what I said, or what I asked ... you deflect rather then answer, so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs .. thats what was asked of you.

Yes, 20 years of deficit spending because we didn't have enough money to pay our bills, until Clinton raised taxes slightly. Then Bush lowered them again and we've had deficit spending for another ten years. All the while, the standard of the middle class declined. The rich did get richer but that's as far as the benefit was felt.

Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either. Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.

Yes, greed, don't you love it? We give them tax breaks and they turn their backs on us. I say we break them lose. Why should we continue to support those that take jobs overseas?

Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??

Without education, we aren't going anywhere. We just continue our decline.

I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.

Try reading learning about health care in other countries from sources other than Fox and you get an entirely different picture. We have the most expensive health care system in the world and get poorer results for all our people.

Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.

Yes, I know that is your opinion. However, many of us feel we do not need to lower workers wages and living conditions to those of dictator run countries to compete.

We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.
 
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Thats not what I said, or what I asked ... you deflect rather then answer, so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs .. thats what was asked of you.




Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either. Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.



Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??



I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.



Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.



We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.

So in your opinion what is going to happen to help us get out of this? We need jobs big business is not going to build here, why should they?Where are the jobs going to come from? How do we save our economy? Do you really think that cutting more jobs is the answer, the only thing cutting more jobs does is it delays the inevitable economic slide we are in
 
So in your opinion what is going to happen to help us get out of this? We need jobs big business is not going to build here, why should they?Where are the jobs going to come from? How do we save our economy? Do you really think that cutting more jobs is the answer, the only thing cutting more jobs does is it delays the inevitable economic slide we are in

Are you saying you DONT believe the private sector is going to be THE source and creation for sustained economic growth?
 
so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs ..

The same ones that were creating them before, and new companies that recognize the need to make products that don't depend on fossil fuels. We have a whole new infrastructure to build as well to replace the one that is now dependent on oil. That is going to require lots of jobs here in this country, not overseas.

Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.

Taxes were cut from 80% to 28% and then raised back up to 38%. That still left 42% of the tax cuts from 1981 in place. We need to cut military spending again. Bush doubled it and started two wars. While I never cared for Clinton, he was the first president since the 1981 tax cuts (they all used SS to offset debt) to have a budget surplus.

Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either.

Right, because the rich were still getting their 42% tax break from 1981.

Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.

It only rose for the rich. The middle class standard of living has declined, and the national debt grew because we no longer had enough revenues to pay the bills. Yes, spending cut have to be made, but spending cuts will not be enough and they will no address the inequality created by the tax cuts for the wealthy.

Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??

Those that want to leave can leave. My guess is no more will leave than have withdrawn their taxable income already. The middle class survived from 1944 to 1981 with a progressive tax system much better than we have since it was slashed.

I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.

Without education, there will be no one smart enough to create businesses in the future that can compete with the superior education provided in other countries. We have already fallen to the #9 spot in education.

Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.

I have researched it as well. We have the most expensive system and other systems are rated higher in serving everyone. Its only the best if you are rich. 1 in 7 Americans are now poor.

We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.

What you failed to notice is that half the country has been suffering for years, while the rich got richer.
 
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Are you saying you DONT believe the private sector is going to be THE source and creation for sustained economic growth?

Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right? What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?

Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?
 
Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right?

Actually, the largest employer in the United States is.......drum roll........GOVERNMENT. Employing 1 out of 6 American Workers......good thing its not Socialism.

What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?

Perhaps a better question.......

Can you name any Democrat Policy in the history of the world, that has encouraged US Businesses to remain in this country?

Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?

Clearly the Democrats making this country THE MOST BUSINESS UNFRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.....isnt the "incentive" we were hoping for.
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Most of government expenditures is to protect the wealth of the rich.


No one is suggesting tax hikes. We are talking about discontinuing the tax cuts to the wealthy, so that the middle class can remain middle class without further sliding into the poor class. We had no problems with job creation when we had a progressive tax system.



By discontinuing the temporary tax cuts to the rich along with spending cuts, we begin to rebuild the middle class and pay down our national debt.


more mindless horsepoop- most of the government expenditures are not designed to protect the wealth of the rich and you have provided no proof for that load of manure

you don't increase the middle class by taxing the rich

the income tax was supposed to be temporary
 
I think that is a valid point. I think we should all endeavor to buy locally. Companies here also have a hard time competing with companies who's countries provide national healthcare. And we need to put more priortity on education and job training, so we have the best trained workforce in the world.

Right........unless those local companies are run by Republicans........like in Wisconsin.
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The following letter is being sent out from Wisconsin Unions/THE MOB to Wisconsin Business Owners.......



Taking "Put the money in the bag.....or were gonna shut you down" to a whole new level.

This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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No, it's called free speech.

It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.

They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.
 
No, it's called free speech.

It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.

They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.

An individual choosing who they do business with is fine.

An individual trying to systematically put someone out of business by getting others to not do business with someone, because they don't like their politics, is not fine.

It's sad you are unable to comprehend the difference.
 
Interesting but mindless

the parasite mentality comes up with all sorts of arguments as to why the government should take more of SOMEONE else's money

Lets clear up your insinuation that I am a parasite, I worked all of my life from before I was a teenager, I picked the fields when I was seven and when I went to high school I worked 48 hours a week shoveling sand coal and gravel.

Now try to be a little less offensive as you respond

The tax cuts were given to encourage job growth here in the USA show me the job growth, show me were the money went. We have seen the deficit and unemployment grow. Except in China and other foreign countries
 
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If you side with those Republican bastards, we'll make sure you're business is driven into the ground until it folds up like a house of paper.

I wouldn't call them bastards. They're more like puppets that are about to lose their jobs.
 
No, it's called free speech.

It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.

They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.

I found it.......

Article III Section 4
Government's Right to Organize Against The Taxpayer
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The tax cuts were given to encourage job growth here in the USA show me the job growth, show me were the money went. We have seen the deficit and unemployment grow. Except in China and other foreign countries

Would a record 52-Months Continual Job Growth be proof of anything?
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Have you ever........been hired by a poor person?
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Would a record 52-Months Continual Job Growth be proof of anything?
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Have you ever........been hired by a poor person?
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You're a great reciter of Fox News talking points. But if you reason it out...

People who work in HR are relatively poor compared to the top 1%.

So, yes, everyone gets hired by a 'poor' person.
 
Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right? What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?

Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?

No. What WalMart DOES is buy goods at a lower price and sell goods. And they do it VERY effectively...so much so that they hire hu7ndreds of thousands of people. They turn a profit. They generate revenue so that they can open MORE stores and hire more people.

Conversely...the government operates ONLY at a loss...and by hiring continually MORE people they operate at an even GREATER loss putting the taxpayers DEEPER into debt. And your solution is to make MORE federal employees...which...costs MORE tax dollars. Its the exact opposite of a growth cycle...its a suck cycle.

We ABSOLUTELY need to reinvigorate the industrial base in America. That will come by incentivizing PRIVATE business and incvestors...not by increasing the size of a government workforce.
 
You're a great reciter of Fox News talking points.

I only get PMSNBC......

But if you reason it out...

Obama-Vs-Bush-job-growth.jpg


Tax cuts are good for job growth.....

People who work in HR are relatively poor compared to the top 1%.

Well as long as we exclude 99% from the comparison.....

So, yes, everyone gets hired by a 'poor' person.

Number of Jobs Created By Poor People (A.D. and B.C.)
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No. What WalMart DOES is buy goods at a lower price and sell goods. And they do it VERY effectively...so much so that they hire hu7ndreds of thousands of people. They turn a profit. They generate revenue so that they can open MORE stores and hire more people.

Conversely...the government operates ONLY at a loss...and by hiring continually MORE people they operate at an even GREATER loss putting the taxpayers DEEPER into debt. And your solution is to make MORE federal employees...which...costs MORE tax dollars. Its the exact opposite of a growth cycle...its a suck cycle.

We ABSOLUTELY need to reinvigorate the industrial base in America. That will come by incentivizing PRIVATE business and incvestors...not by increasing the size of a government workforce.

In todays economy Walmart does provide employent and a shopping place where consumers can buy low cost products that were made mainly overseas utilizing low cost labor, the problem is that they buy from foreign countries employing foreign workers and sell their products here to American consumers. Walmart does not manufacture any thing and the manufacturing that they do contribute to is mostly from foreign countries. Walmart does employ Americans but how many smaller stores shut down and go out of business laying off Americans, Bottom line they purchase low cost products mostly made overseas.

Refresh my memory where did I say that we should hire more government employees? We are in agreement as far as the need to reinvigorate the American industrial base and we definitely need to provide incentives before we are going to see any investments in America, so here is my suggestion instead of allowing the tax cuts to continue use that money as an incentive to promote job creation. Tax cuts to the unemployed mean nothing, tax cuts to those working below the poverty level mean nothing, what is that Chinese proverb? Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Give a person an unemployment or welfare check and you can feed them for a week, Give people a job and they can feed them selves for a life time

We need to put people to work that means we need to stimulate job growth here in the USA not in China or any other foreign country. It should be obvious by now that trickle down does not work and that we need to do some thing different then we have been doing. Continuing doing what we have been doing will only increase the deficit and not create new jobs or generate the revenue needed to support our economy and our way of life
 
I only get PMSNBC...

Proving Cause and Effect doesn't just involve producing a graph and saying look, it changed there so Y=f(X).
 
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Proving Cause and Effect doesn't just involve producing a graph and saying look, it changed there so Y=f(X).

Correlation does not imply causation......unless its beneficial to the state and/or detrimental to conservatives, Republicans, Non-Democrats.
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