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Unions threaten Business

liblady said:
for a bank. you?
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What do banks do?

I work in the oilfield. No mor money trickling down from me, thanks to your boy. I used to trickle down 50 grand, or so a year, but not anymore.
 
apdst said:
What do banks do?

I work in the oilfield. No mor money trickling down from me, thanks to your boy. I used to trickle down 50 grand, or so a year, but not anymore.
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So move to North Dakota, lots of oil field activity going on
 
apdst said:
So, why did anyone think it was a good idea to kill jobs?
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The idea behind Reaganomics is that deregulation would allow the economy to soar, instead it allowed greed in Wall Street to bust our economy causing the greatest recession (job killer) since the Great Depression.

As to why anyone would think that was a good idea, beats the hell out of me. And the kicker is, some still do! Can you believe that???
 
buck said:
Yeah.. not really. I'll tell you i'm in IL.

I will have to backtrack on the 150k. Apparently those were the principal's of the school. However, this is straight salary for 9 months, not counting benefits.

Salary: $45,801
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 2


Position: Elementary Teacher
Years Teaching: 15
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Salary: $80,369

Salary: $104,066
Position: Elementary Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Years Teaching: 34
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Those salaries were for only 9 months of work. Let's annuitize it:

The new teacher making Salary: $45,801 for only 9 months work is the equivalent of $61,068 for 12 months work.

The 15 year teacher making Salary: $80,369 for only 9 months work is equivalent of $107,198.67 for 12 months work

And finally the teacher near retirment at Salary: $104,066 for only 9 months work is equivalent of $138,754.67 for 12.

Again, not counting any benefits. and again, all at the expense of the tax payer and the state's budgets/deficits.
 
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BTW, there is a story at MSNBC that I just read, indicating that WI unions and disctricts are rushing through a lot of contracts before the law (which can save the districts loads of money) is actually published by the SOS.

Does that seem like the actions of a negotiator that really has the best interst of the tax payer in mind?

That is one of the big problems with public sector unions. In the private sector, negotiators for the company need to keep union contracts as low as possible, no such problem on the public side.

Wisconsin unions rush to get deals in place - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
 
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liblady said:
reaganomics didn't trickle down on anyone, it pissed on most of them.
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I wonder...what exactly were people expecting from trickle down economics...that **** was going to magically just happen? People were required to work...and guess what...opportunites were there then. People did quite well for themselves.

You want to know another sad reality? There are an awful lot of people today (more than then) that are waiting for that rainbow to shine out of Obama's ass and land on them. Guess what. It isnt going to happen. Success comes today just as it did then...from hard work. The opportunities to succeed were far greater under Reagan than they were under Carter. Maybe the people that incessantly bitch about getting pee'd on ought to stop looking at what Reagan did and try examining their own level of effort in this game.

I didnt have much of what you would call a family growing up-but what I did have taught me valuable lessons in how not to live. I damn sure didnt have anyone giving me silver spoons. I went from nothing to being very comfortable, to having 4 kids and providing quite well for them and am watching them all enjoy success as well. It wasnt easy...it required hard work and sacrifice.

It aint magic. It aint rocket science. And life doesnt change just by pretending it OUGHT to and that if it doesnt then it is not FAIR.
 
Catawba said:
The idea behind Reaganomics is that deregulation would allow the economy to soar, instead it allowed greed in Wall Street to bust our economy causing the greatest recession (job killer) since the Great Depression.

As to why anyone would think that was a good idea, beats the hell out of me. And the kicker is, some still do! Can you believe that???
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So, when Obama killed jobs, that didn't have a negative effect on things?
 
apdst said:
So, when Obama killed jobs, that didn't have a negative effect on things?
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Reaganomics caused the recession that killed the jobs. The number of poor in America was already at 1 in 7 in 2009 according to the 2010 Census.

Here is the before and after jobs picture:

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msnbc.com business - New jobless claims rise unexpectedly
 
Catawba said:
Reaganomics caused the recession that killed the jobs. The number of poor in America was already at 1 in 7 in 2009 according to the 2010 Census.

Here is the before and after jobs picture:

Unemployment%20Chart310-thumb-454x321-17963.jpg

msnbc.com business - New jobless claims rise unexpectedly
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Its pretty pathetic that people are still blaming current economic woes (your chart cites figures from 08...interestingly enough) on Reagan while ignoring the impact of the Carter years, Bush 1, 8 years of Clintonomics, 8 years of Bush 2, and now 2 years of the Bammer.

Wait...wait...I forgot...you also ignore the impact of 4 wars, NAFTA, a federal government that has spent us into a 14 trillion dollar hole...

Nah...your impotent rage is still stuck on the Reagan years. Pathetic.
 
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VanceMack said:
Nah...your impotent rage is still stuck on the Reagan years. Pathetic.
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Anyone who is not enraged over the effects of Reaganomics (Slashing of top tax rates and deregulation) over the last 3 decades has not been paying attention:

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Catawba said:
Anyone who is not enraged over the effects of Reaganomics (Slashing of top tax rates and deregulation) over the last 3 decades has not been paying attention:

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Anyone that insists that a dead president that was elected from 1980-1988 did what you claim (in spite of the fact that congress does and always has controlled the legislature and ignoring 22 years of presidencies and elected representation since) is either a moron or blinded by ideological hatred.

Edit...BTW...your chart didnt show the congressional spending from 2007 to current...I wonder what it would look like when a democrats controlled house, senate and then white house got in power...oh...but that is all still Reaganomics...right? Its not irresponsible republicans and democrats spending their ass off without regard to debt. Damn those democrats for enacting Reaganomics!!!

ideologues...:lamo
 
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VanceMack said:
Anyone that insists that a dead president that was elected from 1980-1988 did what you claim (in spite of the fact that congress does and always has controlled the legislature and ignoring 22 years of presidencies and elected representation since) is either a moron or blinded by ideological hatred.

Edit...BTW...your chart didnt show the congressional spending from 2007 to current...I wonder what it would look like when a democrats controlled house, senate and then white house got in power...oh...but that is all still Reaganomics...right? Its not irresponsible republicans and democrats spending their ass off without regard to debt. Damn those democrats for enacting Reaganomics!!!

ideologues...:lamo
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Reaganomics, taxes slashed for the top 1% and deregulation, did not die with Reagan unfortunately. It has been carried on by both parties to the detriment of the middle class and our nation as a whole.
 
Catawba said:
Reaganomics, taxes slashed for the top 1% and deregulation, did not die with Reagan unfortunately. It has been carried on by both parties to the detriment of the middle class and our nation as a whole.
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:lamo

Thats why I love people like you. Reagan still controls the cosmos. Bush was such an incredible incompetent moron, yet he completely owned democrats for 8 years. Its ALWAYS someone else. Theres always a label that you can slap on it and blame any and every one but yourselves...your elected representatives...the people you support. Its ALWAYS someone elses fault you fail...someone elses fault you cant succeed.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Thats why I love people like you. Reagan still controls the cosmos. Bush was such an incredible incompetent moron, yet he completely owned democrats for 8 years. Its ALWAYS someone else. Theres always a label that you can slap on it and blame any and every one but yourselves...your elected representatives...the people you support. Its ALWAYS someone elses fault you fail...someone elses fault you cant succeed.
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Its not about reagan himself, its the failed trickle down theory and deregulation over the last 30 years that's brought us to where we are. So we should continue along the path just waiting to be trickled on?

No thank you!
 
Catawba said:
Its not about reagan himself, its the failed trickle down theory and deregulation over the last 30 years that's brought us to where we are. So we should continue along the path just waiting to be trickled on?

No thank you!
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Chew on that for a while...the last 30 years...golly...you would think a few dem politicians might change the world. :roll:

The economic environment has been and is still in place for people to succeed. It doesnt come by rolling over on your back and waiting for someone to provide for you. It isnt going to happen waiting for the federal government to spend us all into oblivion. People come to this country with nothing and succeed. For some reason...others just 'cant.' I wonder why.
 
VanceMack said:
Chew on that for a while...the last 30 years...golly...you would think a few dem politicians might change the world. :roll:

The economic environment has been and is still in place for people to succeed. It doesnt come by rolling over on your back and waiting for someone to provide for you. It isnt going to happen waiting for the federal government to spend us all into oblivion. People come to this country with nothing and succeed. For some reason...others just 'cant.' I wonder why.
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Since 1981 our economy and the middle class have gone downhill, and you suggest going in the same direction. Brilliant plan! :sun
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
That is not evidence that "Reagonomics" has done anything, it is just a graph of debt and jobs, alone.
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Our 14.2 trillion dollar National debt and lack of jobs are my top priorities and where it has been shown that Reaganomics (trickle down theory and deregulation) have failed over the last 30 years.

What are your top priorities?

And let's see your evidence that these areas have improved since we began this experiment in 1981 of cutting tax rates for the most wealthy and deregulating Wall Street?
 
Catawba said:
Since 1981 our economy and the middle class have gone downhill, and you suggest going in the same direction. Brilliant plan! :sun
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I suggest the government...democrats and republicans...stop spending money like crack addicts. And I suggest people in the country stop acting like whiny bitches and engage in their own lives. How much of that debt and deficit is going to paying for social programs? Why is that immigrants, legal and otherwise, can come here and succeed but so many natural born citizens cant?
 
Even though all this union bashing is understandable, I'm pretty sure that it will blow over. I mean it's not like anyone really cares about working people anyway, why should you? These people can boycott whatever they like, most of them will probably cave after a while anyway.
 
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