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Unions threaten Business

I have a problem with a government that has banned one.

public unions are a creation of the government and thus can be eliminated by the government. public unions negotiate with those who are often their supporters-in the private sector both sides are bargaining honestly for their own interests
 
could also have been released to see if he could draw them back to wisconsin so they could be arrested and he could have a quorum.

Possible, but I do doubt it. There were senators that were on the fence. I would think that if Walker made an agreement such as that, it is unlikely he would have been able to break it and keep them on his side. Additionally, i think there would have been a lot of political fallout from that decision. Even I would have a hard time defending a tactic in which the senators had all reached agreement, but then that agreement was broken in a manner in which you described..
 
for the representation, a fair price to have a voice.

Except for those that do not like what the voice that is representing them is saying.
 
Not any more it isn't. Power to the corporation!!!

good-public sector unions are nothing more than malignancies that rob the taxpayers of money and elect politicians who disregard the interests of the taxpayers in favor of the unions that help elect them

the less pubic sector unions the better for the nation and the taxpayers.
 
The support was minimal? Does the following look minimal to you?

UNIONS THREATEN BUSINESS | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

March 10, 2011
Mr. Tom Ellis, President
Marshall & Ilsley Corporation
770 N. Water Street
Milwaukee, WI 53202
SENT VIA FASCIMILE AND REGULAR MAIL
Dear Mr. Ellis:
As you undoubtedly know, Governor Walker recently proposed a “budget
adjustment bill” to eviscerate public employees’ right to collectively bargain in
Wisconsin. ..

As you also know, Scott Walker did not campaign on this issue when he ran for
office. If he had, we are confident that you would not be listed among his largest
contributors. As such, we are contacting you now to request your support.

The undersigned groups would like your company to publicly oppose Governor
Walker’s efforts to virtually eliminate collective bargaining for public employees in
Wisconsin. While we appreciate that you may need some time to consider this
request, we ask for your response by March 17. In the event that you do not
respond to this request by that date, we will assume that you stand with
Governor Walker and against the teachers, nurses, police officers, fire fighters,
and other dedicated public employees who serve our communities.


In the event that you cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining,
please be advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the
goods and services provided by your company. However, if you join us, we will
do everything in our power to publicly celebrate your partnership in the fight to
preserve the right of public employees to be heard at the bargaining table.Wisconsin’s public employee unions serve to protect and promote equality and
fairness in the workplace. We hope you will stand with us and publicly share that
ideal.

In the event you would like to discuss this matter further, please contact the
executive Director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, Jim Palmer,
at 608.273.3840.

Thank you in advance for your consideration. We look forward to hearing from
you soon.

James L. Palmer, Executive Director
Wisconsin Professional Police Association
Mahlon Mitchell,President
Professional Professional Fire Fighters
Jim Conway, President
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311
John Matthews, Execuctive Director
Madison Teachers, Inc.
Keith Patt, Executive Director
Green Bay Education Association
Bob Richardson, President
Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association
Dan Frei, Prersident
Madison Professional Police Officers Association

The biggest of those 4 unions was (I think) 1100 memebers. Pretend they were all 1100... So, yes. I do believe that unions representing 4,400 members is very minimal support when taking in context and compared to the membership of the other 300 some unions that did not offer Walker their endorsement. To claim that Walker is not subjecting FF and police unions to this bill, just to reward those 4 specific mediocre sized unions, is specious at best.
 
Since when is collective bargaining a, "civil right"? :lamo

It is not but if you are a unionista its the first right in the Bible according to Joe Hill
 
Not any more it isn't. Power to the corporation!!!

what corporation? these are public unions.

you could argue it is power to the people; since they are regaining some control over their own government.

but corporations? :roll:
 
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what corporation? these are public unions.

you could argue it is power to the people; since they are regaining some control over their own government.

but corporations? :roll:
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One of the goals seems to be limiting the amount of money union donate to political campaigns, something that has been removed from Corporation

So companies get to buy the politicians, but not unions
 
The right wing freak show residents would have us believe this is a kind of extortion. Personally, this letter is a valid form of direct political action. There's nothing wrong with withholding your patronage for businesses whose politics are contrary to your own. Conservative groups and liberal groups and groups in between all use economic boycotts to express their displeasure with a business or public entity.

There's a quintessential skill required for successful navigation of the adult world.

It's called "reading between the lines".
 
What would you say if Rush Limbaugh said you should withhold your patronage of Comcast unless they fire Rachel Maddow from MSNBC? Is that extortion?


No, it would be meaningless.

Mayor Snorkum doesn't listen to Rush, so he wouldn't hear the advice, and Mayor Snorkum is far to intelligent to listen to any air-headed broad a propaganda network like MSNBC puts in front of a camera.

Fortunately the unions comprise less than 12% of the American public so their power to extort compliance or punish by boycott is minimal. What is important is that these extortionists are the cops, and they have extra legal means of committing harm not available to the rest of us.
 
Yes, having citizen's rights taken away should make that much easier.

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Power to the people................scratch that, power to the corporations!!!

This must be challenged.

What rights have been lost by any employee of Wisconsin?

Hint: The correct answer is "not one".
 
Stand proud Wisconsin!

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Its a part of freedom of association.

No.

Freedom of association means a voluntary grouping.

Collective bargaining requires involuntary participation, a direct contradiction of the First Amendment.

Ergo, ending collective bargaining is restoring freedom and rights, not ending them.

Not one person is forbidden from joining their union under the new law. Nor are they forced to participate.
 
He is invalidating their freedom of contract which is a part of freedom of association. An individual can enter into a contract (which is the basis for employment) as well as a group of individuals.

No.

Not one person is told they cannot be in a union.

All persons are told they can choose to not be in a union.

Perfect freedom of choice.
 
first amendment, freedom of association, that combined with the fact that courts have long upheld the right of people to enter into a contract, as I have pointed out.

Not to forget mentioning that people have the right to not enter into a contract, also.

Nor should we forget that the state isn't required to bargain with the unions. Nothing wrong with firing workers who refuse to work (Mayor Snorkum believes this is a called a "strike", though the baseball reference is elusive) and replacing them with people willing to function on the job. Since we are discussing government employees, it's not like a high level of functioning is required, anyway.
 
The former right to bargain collectively suffers further decline.

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Unions & Employee Wages

What "right" to collective bargaining, since the phrase "collective bargaining" implies "closed shop", "loss of choice", and "enforced association"?

The First Amendment does not allow collective bargaining as the term is used. The term is a typical misdirection beloved of lefties that seems to paint one picture of love and friendship while hiding the real picture of extortion, compulsion, and loss of choice for both employee and employer.

Why do you support losing freedom of choice?
 
Not everyone wishes to bargain as a group. However, because a right isn't exercised does not mean it doesn't exist. I don't own a gun for example.

And, however, a right that doesn't exist is a right that doesn't exist. "Collective bargaining" is one of those imaginary rights that don't exist at all.
 
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