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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    BTW the graph doesn't give a breakdown of costs. From what I understand Toyota executives don't make what GM execs did. Especially in 2007. And the other thing is GM built ugly ass cars. That isn't the unions fault either.
    Then perhaps you misunderstood........

    Executive pay is a fraction of the costs....bloated or not.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I agree with this - most people who go to top tier schools or who are the top in non-pre-education majors don't become teachers (which is why our stories are the exception). I'm still failing to see that teachers are the "bottom of the barrel". Why aren't they just average as people in other professions with a few being extremely smart or stupid? What makes them the "bottom of the barrel"?

    And what evidence is there that teachers go into the profession because they aren't the "best and brightest"? We've already established that there isn't any evidence that they go in for the summer break.
    Its a fact I have heard reported for many years-I just cannot find it right now while trying to watch Butler v. VCU and posting on a couple sports boards



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    I think you watch too much TV. If I were GM I would have built cars people wanted.
    I think you need to acknowledge reality......

    GM sales in 2007: 9,370,000
    Toyota sales in 2007: 9,366,418

    They sold over 9 million cars that people wanted........

    I would have stayed out of the mortgage business and a host of other side business and concentrated on my main business. Cars.
    But their Main business was UAW GOLD PLATED HEALTH CARE/DIAMON INLAYED PENSIONS INC.......

    .....have you not been paying attention?

    But thats just me. Ford did OK with unions and all.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    try this from 2006

    look at the test scores for various intended professions

    http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...nal-report.pdf

    other than farming, home ec and vocational programs education was pretty much the lowest



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    try this from 2006

    look at the test scores for various intended professions

    http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...nal-report.pdf

    other than farming, home ec and vocational programs education was pretty much the lowest
    Thanks. I didn't think to look there. Students intending to major in education definitely have some of the lowest - but so do business/commerce and Health/Allied Services, two groups that would likely turn out some successful businessmen and doctors and yet ones like Language and Literature/Foreign or Classical Languages which would likely turn out teachers & professors have the highest.

    Inconclusive. You could definitely argue that teachers are the bottom if you look at their scores alone - but considering that they're in the same area as pre-meds and pre-business people are and that literature/language people (who will likely be teachers at some level) are the highest, the argument doesn't stand very well.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Thanks. I didn't think to look there. Students intending to major in education definitely have some of the lowest - but so do business/commerce and Health/Allied Services, two groups that would likely turn out some successful businessmen and doctors and yet ones like Language and Literature/Foreign or Classical Languages which would likely turn out teachers & professors have the highest.

    Inconclusive. You could definitely argue that teachers are the bottom if you look at their scores alone - but considering that they're in the same area as pre-meds and pre-business people are and that literature/language people (who will likely be teachers at some level) are the highest, the argument doesn't stand very well.
    health and allied sciences-nurses-physical therapists, massage therapists, nutritionists

    pre med students tend to study chemistry and biology. look at the scores for physical sciences

    do you understand how difficult it is to get into a medical school these days?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    health and allied sciences-nurses-physical therapists, massage therapists, nutritionists

    pre med students tend to study chemistry and biology. look at the scores for physical sciences

    do you understand how difficult it is to get into a medical school these days?
    Yeah, I have friends who are either already in medical school, friends who are in residency and younger ones who just got in to med school. It's very competitive. I knew at my school pre-meds majored in Bio or Chem, but that's just because we don't have a pre-med major like many schools do - I assumed Health included the pre-med majors. My mistake.

    Nonetheless, the business majors scored low and literature/language people scored the highest. SAT scores don't seem, in general, to correspond to what most of us assume they would be, esp. considering people who major in language or literature tend to become teachers and professors since they're isn't much else for them to do.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    Business threatens unions. Try to start one at Walmart. ha ha
    My uncle was killed....shot in the head. Driving a coal truck outside of London, KY when the union went on strike. Silly him. He needed to feed his family. My next-door neighbor had to have Pinkerton Protection Services guard his home 24/7 when the Teamsters went on strike - and after union thugs threw bricks through both his picture window and the bathroom....where a light was on. Silly him. He needed to feed his family.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You mean fascist loving bussiness

    Ones with jackbooted gun totin thugs ( ie police)
    Those jackbooted gun totin' thugs you talk about? They're unionized.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    How about the IBEW? And BTW auto companies hurt themselves. The unions didn't do it. There are less union workers in the auto industry and it's still having issues. But executive pay has risen ten fold. But I know its PC these days to blame unions for bad management
    Blame 'em both. Greedy pig unions. Greedy pig management. If management didn't cave to ridiculous uniion demands in order to avoid strikes and settle contracts smooth-as-silk, we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. A freakin' mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    BTW the graph doesn't give a breakdown of costs. From what I understand Toyota executives don't make what GM execs did. Especially in 2007. And the other thing is GM built ugly ass cars. That isn't the unions fault either.
    Here. A freebie, from 2008:

    This year, Wagoner will pull down a salary of $2.2 million, in addition to other CEO perks. And last year, Wagoner's total compensation was $14.4 million. That works out to $39,452.05 per day, including weekends. (Note that in 2007, GM lost a staggering $38.7 billion).....For example, the estimated pay of Toyota's CEO in 2005 was under $1 million.
    Newsvine - CEO of GM makes 14 times What CEO of toyota makes.. but we are to be outrraged the employees get double what toyota employees make. -- Now don't say I never gave ya' nothin'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    I think you watch too much TV. If I were GM I would have built cars people wanted. I would have stayed out of the mortgage business and a host of other side business and concentrated on my main business. Cars. But thats just me. Ford did OK with unions and all.
    Ford did okay because they were ahead of the curve getting union concessions before it was bankrupt.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Thanks. I didn't think to look there. Students intending to major in education definitely have some of the lowest - but so do business/commerce and Health/Allied Services, two groups that would likely turn out some successful businessmen and doctors and yet ones like Language and Literature/Foreign or Classical Languages which would likely turn out teachers & professors have the highest.

    Inconclusive. You could definitely argue that teachers are the bottom if you look at their scores alone - but considering that they're in the same area as pre-meds and pre-business people are and that literature/language people (who will likely be teachers at some level) are the highest, the argument doesn't stand very well.
    Teachers don't have to be rocket scientists. They teach from books, for God's sake. What they need to be are motivators. Those rare breeds who can reach inside a student's head and make him want to learn. Where's that in the curriculum???
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    I am a labor attorney mainly. when I was at my first job the senior partner (a chain smoking guy who did 10 years in the marines including some of the most brutal fighting as an infantry captain in Korea before graduating Magna cum laude from Harvard Law) took me to a negotiation with the Union over a class-grievance.

    some of the negotiation went like this

    Union boss-You best be careful counselor-we know where you and the POS who pays your fees live

    Sr Partner-you think that S&% scares me you little punk-you think you are the only people who have hit men on the payroll

    and that was a milder part of this little meeting



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Teachers don't have to be rocket scientists. They teach from books, for God's sake. What they need to be are motivators. Those rare breeds who can reach inside a student's head and make him want to learn. Where's that in the curriculum???
    I never said they had to be "rocket scientists". I wanted proof that they were the "bottom of the barrel" - TD did provide some proof that pre-education majors weren't the best. For the rest of your comment, it has nothing to do with anything I've argued or requested.

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