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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i know how the game is played with you...i will ignore your source as you ignore mine....perhaps if you actually read my post, you would have noticed something.
    You apparently know very little since the Bureau of Labor Statistics is the keeper and authority on labor including employment in this country. Interesting how BLS data is acceptable during the Clinton Administration when the numbers were good but not now. Don't blame you from ignoring them.

    Highlights from the 2010 data:

    --The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
    substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
    (See table 3.)

    --Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
    unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

    --Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian,
    or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

    --Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
    and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Personal attacks =/= evidence. You have no proof - you're making claims based on your own prejudices and passing them off as common sense. Thanks for playing. Next?
    wrong kiddo. one of the uber lamer tactics some of the weaker posters use is demanding proof of stuff that more intelligent posters realize has been supported dozens of times on this board

    anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You apparently know very little since the Bureau of Labor Statistics is the keeper and authority on labor including employment in this country. Interesting how BLS data is acceptable during the Clinton Administration when the numbers were good but not now. Don't blame you from ignoring them.

    Highlights from the 2010 data:

    --The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
    substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
    (See table 3.)

    --Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
    unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

    --Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian,
    or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

    --Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
    and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)
    i agree, you know very little

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    detroit times? wasnt aware that there was a paper called that...believe what you want, my union's membership is up, whether you like it or not.
    what union would that be?



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    but how can that be? those damn evil unions are only interested in running a company out of business.....
    It's that danged goose that laid the golden egg thingy.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's that danged goose that laid the golden egg thingy.
    that's why public sector unions are malignant. if a private sector union bankrupts the company they lose too. there is no such check and balance on public sector unions

    in private sector bargaining the union represents its interests to get as many benefits as it can without killing jobs-management bargains to get the best quality commodity known as labor for the least possible costs

    in public sector negotiations, those representing management are not usually representing the interests of the shareholders (taxpayers citizens) but often that of the unions because in areas where unions are strong, the politicians tend to be lackeys of the unions



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's why public sector unions are malignant. if a private sector union bankrupts the company they lose too. there is no such check and balance on public sector unions

    in private sector bargaining the union represents its interests to get as many benefits as it can without killing jobs-management bargains to get the best quality commodity known as labor for the least possible costs

    in public sector negotiations, those representing management are not usually representing the interests of the shareholders (taxpayers citizens) but often that of the unions because in areas where unions are strong, the politicians tend to be lackeys of the unions
    ^^^^ This!!! Yes, this!!!
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong kiddo. one of the uber lamer tactics some of the weaker posters use is demanding proof of stuff that more intelligent posters realize has been supported dozens of times on this board

    anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching
    Once again, personal attacks =/= evidence.

    These were your original claims:
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    yeah most teachers do it [become teachers] because
    1) they don't have the grades to get into the more competitive professions like medicine and law
    2)they don't have to work near the hours
    And you're backing up these claims with this:
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    anyone who has attended high school know that teachers get most of the summer off-and the kids who are phi beta kappas at big state U's or top Private colleges aren't the kids who go into public school teaching
    However, stating that teachers get summers off is simply stating a fact about the teaching profession. It does not, however, prove that people become teachers because of the summers off. These are two separate arguments.

    As far as your "phi beta kappa" statement. I would like to see the data that shows teachers have less pre-education honors students than lawyers have pre-law honors students.

    You are making a false comparison between pre-education students and pre-law/pre-med/other students. Some people just want to be teachers. These people choose to be pre-education majors, not pre-law or pre-med. It's very presumptuous to assume that everybody wants to be a doctor or lawyer and that those who don't choose that route simply couldn't make it.

    What you're proving to me is that your knowledge of teachers is based on stereotypes that you're passing off as "common knowledge". You have not shown you neutral evidence.
    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 04-02-11 at 07:27 PM.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    so let me set the stage

    1) do you admit or deny that those who go into primary/HS teaching tend to be the bottom of the university barrel

    2) do you admit or deny that the work year for teachers is normally 9 months compared to say most other professions



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    I also note the finest universities in the country rarely have teaching majors

    Yale sure didn't. And last I checked they didn't reward M Eds either.



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