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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    I like working in a union shop, that is my preference, as i have worked in union and non union shops....you seem to think it is a sign of weakness, but yet admit that employers do take advantage of employees...???? The company has lawyers and accountants working for them, by pooling my resources with my co-workers, and by belonging to a union, i'm in a better posistion to better my pay and benefits when negotiating, as we have access to lawyers and accountants...i believe a couple of other posters have already gone over this...so, why is it bad for me to belong to a union? why is it so wrong to like having a contract, spelling out exactly what i can expect in pay and benefits? why are you ok with company execs having contracts, but not me? seems to me my production manager, my plant manager, my process techs, like having a contract with the company, that spells out what is expected from them, and what in return they can expect from the company...why is it so wrong if i want the same for me and my co-workers?
    Excuse me for butting in, but I wanted to put in my two cents. IMO, there is nothing wrong with belonging to a private sector union. Unions are held in check with their demands by the profitability of the company itself. No sense in killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, so to speak.

    Do they serve a useful purpose? I think many times they do. Do they often go overboard? I think many times they do. But! What I think it does is encourage mediocrity. That's an awful thing to encourage! Just do your job, put in your time, and you'll get your raise. Put in any extra? You're liable to actually make enemies of your co-workers. Is that not true? It certainly was when I belonged to the IBEW for a short time in Chicago. That from personal experience. Then they've got this gol-darned work rules. Maybe they all don't have them, but my union did.

    I was an Information Operator for about 8 months. I was eager to be promoted. Best damned operator they had, if I don't say so myself. Personnel called me into the office and told me that I was destined for the business office...but I had to be with the company for two years before I could be promoted...union rules. I quit.

    Making enemies of co-workers is what would happen to my mom when she worked on piece work for Sunbeam Corporation. They had this gimmick that you had a quota -- let's say 100 pieces an hour -- and for that you made a "base rate." You could make 150 pieces an hour and get paid base rate times 1.5. If you made more than 150 pieces, even though my mom found it easy to do, co-workers shunned her for getting the job re-rated. What??? Why was the job rated at all, you ask. Union rules.

    Chicago lost a significant % of its trade shows/exhibitors several years ago because..why? Ridiculous union rules. Have a display that needs to be plugged into an electrical outlet? You can't plug it in -- You need two electricians, minimum charge $200. That's just one ridiculous example. Here are some concessions recently agreed to by the unions involved because so many of their workers were layed off:

    "Work begun from 6 to 8 a.m. will be billed as straight time (not time-and-a-half or double time as previously) across all union jurisdictions.
    " Exhibitors of all sizes will be allowed to hang signs and plug in equipment without hiring union labor.
    " Union crew sizes will be determined on a job-by-job basis, eliminating the required minimum of three union workers.
    When you read posters' harranging about unions, ridiculous examples like this are the reason. IMO, unions have gone overboard. And management's let them. When unions go overboard, jobs are lost. Pure and simple.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    actually, uaw membership is up 6%

    UAW membership up 6 percent | detnews.com | The Detroit News

    you seem to think that every plant that went out of business and happened to be unionized, that this was the fault of the union....i suspect you know better than this, and if you were to think logically about this, you would figure out that it just isnt so. as for your 'personal' story, i could care less, if you were happy doing what you did, good for you, but your personal 'experiences' mean nothing to me.
    Yet BLS says union membership is down, guess the Detroit Times better tell the Bureau of Labor Statistics they have it wrong.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    My role was to help direct non union drivers in the delivery of their product so the motoring public could get to and from work while union employees were on strike. Union thugs represent you well.
    not exactly what i was asking...did you instigate any of these incident? did you have a role in the supposed 'confrontation'? either way, true or not, why bring up something that can't be proven on an internet forum, at least without exposing private info?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet BLS says union membership is down, guess the Detroit Times better tell the Bureau of Labor Statistics they have it wrong.
    detroit times? wasnt aware that there was a paper called that...believe what you want, my union's membership is up, whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    actually, uaw membership is up 6%

    UAW membership up 6 percent | detnews.com | The Detroit News

    you seem to think that every plant that went out of business and happened to be unionized, that this was the fault of the union....i suspect you know better than this, and if you were to think logically about this, you would figure out that it just isnt so. as for your 'personal' story, i could care less, if you were happy doing what you did, good for you, but your personal 'experiences' mean nothing to me.
    Want to know why? Because plants are hiring. This isn't about unions attracting people to unions. This is about the auto industry picking up. This is an example of evil corporations making more jobs. And one more thing: It's about the UAW having given a series of concessions over the last several years that's brought GM (in particular) labor costs down.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    not exactly what i was asking...did you instigate any of these incident? did you have a role in the supposed 'confrontation'? either way, true or not, why bring up something that can't be proven on an internet forum, at least without exposing private info?
    I was sitting in the passenger side of the cab of the truck and were returning to the rack to load for another delivery. I don't care whether you believe it or not as I know what happened and I wasn't alone. It happened all over the country.

    Here are the most recent stats on Unions

    Union Members Summary
    For release 10:00 a.m. (EST) Friday, January 21, 2011 USDL-11-0063

    Technical information: (202) 691-6378 * cpsinfo@bls.gov * Current Population Survey (CPS)
    Media contact: (202) 691-5902 * PressOffice@bls.gov


    UNION MEMBERS -- 2010


    In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
    members of a union--was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S.
    Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers be-
    longing to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million. In 1983, the first year for
    which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 per-
    cent, and there were 17.7 million union workers.

    Highlights from the 2010 data:

    --The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.2 percent) was
    substantially higher than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent).
    (See table 3.)

    --Workers in education, training, and library occupations had the highest
    unionization rate at 37.1 percent. (See table 3.)

    --Black workers were more likely to be union members than were white, Asian,
    or Hispanic workers. (See table 1.)

    --Among states, New York had the highest union membership rate (24.2 percent)
    and North Carolina had the lowest rate (3.2 percent). (See table 5.)
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Want to know why? Because plants are hiring. This isn't about unions attracting people to unions. This is about the auto industry picking up. This is an example of evil corporations making more jobs. And one more thing: It's about the UAW having given a series of concessions over the last several years that's brought GM (in particular) labor costs down.
    you are partially correct...it is also because the uaw has had success in unionizing non-automotive jobs such as casino workers.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Want to know why? Because plants are hiring. This isn't about unions attracting people to unions. This is about the auto industry picking up. This is an example of evil corporations making more jobs. And one more thing: It's about the UAW having given a series of concessions over the last several years that's brought GM (in particular) labor costs down.
    Exactly and in addition Ford got ahead of the game and generated some concessions prior to the GM/Chrysler Fiasco and did much better financially.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I was sitting in the passenger side of the cab of the truck and were returning to the rack to load for another delivery. I don't care whether you believe it or not as I know what happened and I wasn't alone. It happened all over the country.

    Here are the most recent stats on Unions

    Union Members Summary
    For release 10:00 a.m. (EST) Friday, January 21, 2011 USDL-11-0063

    Technical information: (202) 691-6378 * cpsinfo@bls.gov * Current Population Survey (CPS)
    Media contact: (202) 691-5902 * PressOffice@bls.gov


    UNION MEMBERS -- 2010


    In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
    members of a union--was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S.
    Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers be-
    longing to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million. In 1983, the first year for
    which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 per-
    cent, and there were 17.7 million union workers.
    i know how the game is played with you...i will ignore your source as you ignore mine....perhaps if you actually read my post, you would have noticed something.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly and in addition Ford got ahead of the game and generated some concessions prior to the GM/Chrysler Fiasco and did much better financially.
    but how can that be? those damn evil unions are only interested in running a company out of business.....

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