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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Well they are thousands of examples out there for and against, the bottom line is that everyone in a free country has the right to work, especially when it comes to the government. They should be able to do so with being forced or coerced into joining a union. Now for one more example, this would be the oil industry from the roustabout on up.
    So when were you forced to join a union?

    Never has anyone in the US been forced to join a union. People may have been required to join a union if they wanted a particular job at a particular company. They were not forced to accept that job they chose it of their own free will
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Where are your facts that the cost of living in each area of the country is the same? You made the claim that MOST teachers and Police don't take their jobs based upon pay. That being the case why then do they need a union?

    Does cost of living play into wages? Does it cost as much to live in TX as it does in Illinios? Why would a teacher in TX require as much as a teacher in Illinois?
    Stop changing the subject and the goal posts. Where are your facts to support your claims about merits and unions? I have given you facts, show me yours. TEACH ME!

    Good, then why do teachers need a union?
    I never said teachers (or police officers) needed unions - I never made a claim about that. You said that they don't. I'm asking you to support your claim. Where are your facts? Where is your evidence?

    By the way, here's even more evidence from me that teachers don't join for the money. I keep giving you facts. Where are yours?

    A majority of teachers are dissatisfied with their salaries. Two-thirds (64%) report that their salaries are not fair for the work they do. Elementary school teachers in particular feel this way (67% vs. 60% of secondary school teachers).
    http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED496558.pdf

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah most teachers do it because

    1) they don't have the grades to get into the more competitive professions like medicine and law

    2)they don't have to work near the hours
    Where is your data and evidence to back that claim up?

    Remember, I haven't made a claim about why teachers go into the profession. I've only said that they don't do it for the money and I have evidence:
    A majority of teachers are dissatisfied with their salaries. Two-thirds (64%) report that their salaries are not fair for the work they do. Elementary school teachers in particular feel this way (67% vs. 60% of secondary school teachers).
    Show me your evidence or else it's just another B.S. claim.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So when were you forced to join a union?

    Never has anyone in the US been forced to join a union. People may have been required to join a union if they wanted a particular job at a particular company. They were not forced to accept that job they chose it of their own free will

    that's pretty lame

    like saying no one has been forced to pay a poll tax unless they wanted to vote



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Where is your data and evidence to back that claim up?

    Remember, I haven't made a claim about why teachers go into the profession. I've only said that they don't do it for the money and I have evidence:


    Show me your evidence or else it's just another B.S. claim.
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    that you demand proof of stuff that anyone with an IQ of at least 90 understands is pathetic. Is that your way of responding to stuff you don't like?



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    theplaydrive;1059386621]Stop changing the subject and the goal posts. Where are your facts to support your claims about merits and unions? I have given you facts, show me yours. TEACH ME!
    Your so called facts are about job appreciation and not anything to do with pay and benefits which are very subjective and dependent on the area of the country you live.

    I never said teachers (or police officers) needed unions - I never made a claim about that. You said that they don't. I'm asking you to support your claim. Where are your facts? Where is your evidence?
    Declining union membership and current laws that give ALL employees the protection once afforded by unions.

    By the way, here's even more evidence from me that teachers don't join for the money. I keep giving you facts. Where are yours?



    http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/ED496558.pdf
    Again, just another statement that proves that teachers don't need unions nor do anyone else these days as the laws on the books protect all employees, union and non union. Less that 12% of the workforce is union and of that 12% most are public unions. That speaks volumes to those capable of thinking.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
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    that you demand proof of stuff that anyone with an IQ of at least 90 understands is pathetic. Is that your way of responding to stuff you don't like?
    Personal attacks =/= evidence. You have no proof - you're making claims based on your own prejudices and passing them off as common sense. Thanks for playing. Next?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your so called facts are about job appreciation and not anything to do with pay and benefits which are very subjective and dependent on the area of the country you live.

    Declining union membership and current laws that give ALL employees the protection once afforded by unions.

    Again, just another statement that proves that teachers don't need unions nor do anyone else these days as the laws on the books protect all employees, union and non union. Less that 12% of the workforce is union and of that 12% most are public unions. That speaks volumes to those capable of thinking.
    I backed up my claim with evidence. You haven't backed up your claim with any. You have no proof of your claims - your passing of your own prejudices based in personal experience as truth.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I backed up my claim with evidence. You haven't backed up your claim with any. You have no proof of your claims - your passing of your own prejudices based in personal experience as truth.
    And you are posting surveys as fact while not reporting data based upon regional pay and benefits information.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    exactly who are you to determine if i need a union or not? i have already explained to you that you labor under a false assumptiion...you believe that if you work hard, your employer will reward you...sometimes yes, sometimes no..there is no guarantee that hard work will see that you are rewarded...i've worked places where those of us would bust our humps, and not get squat, but yet, those who sucked the boss's ass were rewarded very well...i don't play that game. you don't seem to believe that there are employers out there who take advantage of their employees.....you need a reality check.
    Better "sometimes-yes sometimes-no" than to be rewarded for a beating heart. However, I do agree with you. You undoubtedly function much better in a union shop.
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