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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Where is your data to back those claims up?
    Where is yours that teachers and police need unions and why is that relevant at this point. I live in a community where teachers and the police aren't unions, they make as much if not more than police in another community that is unionized. These teachers and police don't pay union dues thus are doing better.

    Most quality individuals don't like the actions of the thugs in the unions.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Has absolutely nothing to do with bragging, but everything to do with common sense and logic. Doesn't seem to matter to liberals who always need someone else to negotiate for them. Unions just like a minimum wage also serve as the maximum wage that has to be paid and that shortchanges a lot of good people who could do better if paid base upon performance and initiative.
    and alot of good hardworking people get shortchanged in shops without unions...you labor under the assumption that if you bust ass and work hard, that you will be 'rewarded'....sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, no guarantees. i'm gonna let some of you in on a secret, and i'm sure this will come as a big shock to you...THIS COUNTRY IS A UNION!!! gasp!! shock!!! the horror!!! a group of states banded together...formed a UNION, because they realized that together they were much stronger than they ever would be apart....

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    It would be the military.
    The military proves that merit evaluation works for the military. I want proof that it works for teachers and police officers whose profession exists a completely separate realm of society with different problems and challenges.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
    Ya, that's bull****.
    No truth in that at all.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is yours that teachers and police need unions and why is that relevant at this point. I live in a community where teachers and the police aren't unions, they make as much if not more than police in another community that is unionized. These teachers and police don't pay union dues thus are doing better.

    Most quality individuals don't like the actions of the thugs in the unions.
    and it is statements like your last sentence that are the reason so few people take you seriously...

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is yours that teachers and police need unions and why is that relevant at this point. I live in a community where teachers and the police aren't unions, they make as much if not more than police in another community that is unionized. These teachers and police don't pay union dues thus are doing better.

    Most quality individuals don't like the actions of the thugs in the unions.
    I never made that claim so I don't need to provide data. Where is your data to back your claims up though? I want to see the data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most teachers and police officers don't need unions either. A merit system works quite well. Unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential.
    Where is the data that proves teachers and police officers don't need unions?
    Where is the data that proves the merit system works well for teachers and police officers?
    Where is the data that shows unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential?

    Do have verifiable evidence or are you making empty claims?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The military proves that merit evaluation works for the military. I want proof that it works for teachers and police officers whose profession exists a completely separate realm of society with different problems and challenges.
    Well they are thousands of examples out there for and against, the bottom line is that everyone in a free country has the right to work, especially when it comes to the government. They should be able to do so with being forced or coerced into joining a union. Now for one more example, this would be the oil industry from the roustabout on up.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and alot of good hardworking people get shortchanged in shops without unions...you labor under the assumption that if you bust ass and work hard, that you will be 'rewarded'....sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, no guarantees. i'm gonna let some of you in on a secret, and i'm sure this will come as a big shock to you...THIS COUNTRY IS A UNION!!! gasp!! shock!!! the horror!!! a group of states banded together...formed a UNION, because they realized that together they were much stronger than they ever would be apart....
    Right, your cup is half empty and mine is half full. If you are as good as you think you are, you don't need a union to be rewarded for your efforts. A lot of good people in unions are always being held down.

    If you think this country is a union you really are out of touch with reality. This country is 50 independent sovereign states with their own set of laws and leadership. They are united under a Constitution but that doesn't change their independence and as our founders believed concentration of power at the state and local level. The purpose of the United States was for protection not equal outcome which unions try to promote.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I never made that claim so I don't need to provide data. Where is your data to back your claims up though? I want to see the data.



    Where is the data that proves teachers and police officers don't need unions?
    Where is the data that proves the merit system works well for teachers and police officers?
    Where is the data that shows unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential?

    Do have verifiable evidence or are you making empty claims?
    In your mind the perception is that teachers and police need unions, there is nothing I can provide that will change your mind nor do I care to. The numbers speak for themselves, union membership has been declining for years. My experience in dealing with unions and some very good employees in those unions form the basis of my statements. Many good people left the unions when they realized they were being held down. You don't believe it, tough, believe what you want and never reach your ultimate potential.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and it is statements like your last sentence that are the reason so few people take you seriously...
    It is people like you that cause others as well to have zero support for unions as union membership continues to drop to less than 12% today. The threats from union employees to anyone that disagrees with them is quite telling. All that video of course is doctored in your world so it really doesn't matter to you that thugs threaten anyone who disagrees with them.

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