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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There are plenty of union horror stories. GM's job banks. NYC's rubber room. McCormack Place Convention Center. Rosemont, IL Convention Center. Ridiculous union rules that are sucking blood from those who have to interact with them....hurting their own companies and the general public/taxpayers.

    It is past time for reform. I hope we're on the way.
    I got into a fight at the GM plant back in 1988, I got out of my truck and I didn't say one word not even boo and this security guy started yelling at me for no reason...so I punched him in the face. I wouldn't have until he started calling me a MF'er. Anyrate I was banded for life...LOL, they did me a favor.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You do realize that this is the internets right.

    Being real pompous and bragging about **** you cannot show us or prove is not the way to go in an honest intellectual debate.

    Your "personal experience" is irrelevant here because every person is a case by case basis, and you cannot substantiate your claims of business prowess.
    Has absolutely nothing to do with bragging, but everything to do with common sense and logic. Doesn't seem to matter to liberals who always need someone else to negotiate for them. Unions just like a minimum wage also serve as the maximum wage that has to be paid and that shortchanges a lot of good people who could do better if paid base upon performance and initiative.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Paying someone with specialized skills to perform a task normally outside of your expertise is not a bad thing to do. Contract negotiations would be something most people would engage in once every few years, and require going into the financial wellbeing of the company to see the potential for compensation increases. Paying someone to do that so you can focus on what you are good at is a good idea. Companies do that all the time, why not individuals seeking to maximize their compensation as well. A CEO will hire a team of lawyers, accounts etc to go over various contracts, a singular individual will not have the resources to do that, so by pooling their resource the workers can level the playing field and generally maximize their compensation. All in all a very capitalistic thing to do. It also involves specialization of skills to improve overall efficiency
    I can see why a lot of people required that but I never thought much of someone else negotiating for me because I let my performance speak for itself. Produce and get results and you make yourself marketable if the company won't reward you for your efforts. Too many people have little pride and initiative in themselves and need the unions. I never did and was rewarded quite well over my career.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You do realize that this is the internets right.

    Being real pompous and bragging about **** you cannot show us or prove is not the way to go in an honest intellectual debate.

    Your "personal experience" is irrelevant here because every person is a case by case basis, and you cannot substantiate your claims of business prowess.
    couldnt have said it better myself, thanks...

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
    Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    couldnt have said it better myself, thanks...
    You also do realize that unions protect mediocrity? Seems that you always focus on the extremes and believe all union employees are cream of the crop when the reality is the cream of the crop don't need unions as unions really keep these people down.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
    Most teachers and police officers don't need unions either. A merit system works quite well. Unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most teachers and police officers don't need unions either. A merit system works quite well. Unions protect mediocrity and keep good people from achieving their maximum potential.
    Where is your data to back those claims up?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Most teachers and police officers don't go into their profession for the money...
    I think your probably right, although once in I imagine they are quite dissappointed when they find out what rules they must play by. Then there are the lifers in other words slugs, that will drag the rest down with them.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Where is your data to back those claims up?
    It would be the military.

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