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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I find it interesting that someone who gets paid by the taxpayer and is dependent on the tax revenue for a salary would talk about parasites, don't you?
    I don't know if haymarket is still paid by the taxpayers. some government employees actually earn their salary. Most FBI, DEA federal judges and prosecutors etc.



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    I wonder if this kind of thing is helpful...or hurtful to the unions' cause:

    KAALtv.com - Union Warns of Boycotts in Wisconsin for Lack of Support

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Says the "Tick" sucking on the life blood of others...


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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Haymarket labors under the delusion known as the leftward ratchet of history and jurisprudence. Once things move left, he will howl that any attempts to overturn marxist or socialist nonsense is anti progress.

    true progress is making people less dependent on a nanny state and subservient to Kings, Lords and Dictators. IN that sense, Locke and Rousseau would call Haymarket's Ilk "reactionaries"
    hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....
    Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
    You do realize that this is the internets right.

    Being real pompous and bragging about **** you cannot show us or prove is not the way to go in an honest intellectual debate.

    Your "personal experience" is irrelevant here because every person is a case by case basis, and you cannot substantiate your claims of business prowess.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you such little faith in your own work ethich and performance that you have to have someone else negotiate for you? I never belonged to a union in my 35 years of business and my bet is I earned more money than you could ever think of earning or ever will earn being part of a union. Have there ever been anyone leaving the union that did better for themselves than they did in the Union?
    Paying someone with specialized skills to perform a task normally outside of your expertise is not a bad thing to do. Contract negotiations would be something most people would engage in once every few years, and require going into the financial wellbeing of the company to see the potential for compensation increases. Paying someone to do that so you can focus on what you are good at is a good idea. Companies do that all the time, why not individuals seeking to maximize their compensation as well. A CEO will hire a team of lawyers, accounts etc to go over various contracts, a singular individual will not have the resources to do that, so by pooling their resource the workers can level the playing field and generally maximize their compensation. All in all a very capitalistic thing to do. It also involves specialization of skills to improve overall efficiency
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmmm....making people less dependent on a 'nanny state', and not subservient to kings, lords and dictators sounds so nice...in theory..but in practice, the views you advocate, the abolishment of unions, the limiting of a group's power to negotiate for a better living, goes against that theory....in actuality, the views you have would keep people subservient, their existence to be determined by the whims of the powerful, would keep them 'in their place', to serve the powerful, the kings, the dictators, the lords...your views would keep people begging for the scraps that are left over.....
    I have no problem with real trade unions that teach a skill and guarantee good work


    the issue is public service unions-those employed by the government have full protection of the law

    dependence breeds weakness which is exactly what the dems have intended for years
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Just a quick side bar:
    I sat for 2 and half hours watching this fat F##K of the lead shipper bullsh#ting with his buddy before putting on a crate (just 1)for China, not only does this cost me money but also time that I don't have. Even the underlings said that this dude is a lazy F*** but there was nothing they could do, the only one who can release the shipment was him. This is standard operating procedure for unions on the east coast, this is the rule not the exception. I have to deal with a lot of unions in my line of work.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Just a quick side bar:
    I sat for 2 and half hours watching this fat F##K of the lead shipper bullsh#ting with his buddy before putting on a crate (just 1)for China, not only does this cost me money but also time that I don't have. Even the underlings said that this dude is a lazy F*** but there was nothing they could do, the only one who can release the shipment was him. This is standard operating procedure for unions on the east coast, this is the rule not the exception. I have to deal with a lot of unions in my line of work.
    There are plenty of union horror stories. GM's job banks. NYC's rubber room. McCormack Place Convention Center. Rosemont, IL Convention Center. Ridiculous union rules that are sucking blood from those who have to interact with them....hurting their own companies and the general public/taxpayers.

    It is past time for reform. I hope we're on the way.
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