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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your envy is obvious but the death tax was a bit of social engineering that was not proper constitutionally and devised before massive progressive income taxes took place

    and contrary to your leftist dreams-death taxes actually maintain the positions of the uber rich while retarding and preventing others from reaching that position.

    and estate of 500 million will regenerate what is taking during an average lifespan and then some but a 4-5 million dollar estate rarely will

    the uber wealthy often support the death tax

    the small business owners and those who own appreciated real estate that doesn't earn much income do not

    the uber wealthy also love the death tax because it forces the owners of expensive but non-income generating property to sell it upon death. examples-paintings
    I'm not in the slightest envious. I've always managed to get as much as I feel like getting.

    I just lack the gene or whatever that makes some people need way more than they actually need. To the extent they willfully take it out of someone else's mouth.

    Now say only liberals want to take the truffles from the mouths of those who simply earned their fine wine. Or whatever. And don't forget the envy part, and never for a moment acknowledge any point made by anyone that differs from your point of view. You got it from God, or something.

    I still disrespect you for having the life you claim and wasting it bitching at lefties on this forum.

    You have a life.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have a serious problem with a law that violates the US Constitution - Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1.

    The real question here is why don't you?
    see, i would suggest that you should explain why you are good with Article I Section 10.... but not Article I Section 8.

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    People such as turtle who pretend that there is a 'death tax' are only following the dictates of their right wing masters are only following orders from the top of the right wing food chain. (or would that be the bottom?) This on the origins of the term in modern political life from Wikipedia
    The term "death tax" is a neologism used by policy makers and critics to describe the tax in a way that conveys additional meaning. Political use of "death tax" as a synonym for "estate tax" was encouraged by Jack Faris of the National Federation of Independent Business[42] during the Speakership of Newt Gingrich. Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not".[43] Linguist George Lakoff asserts that the term "death tax" is a deliberate and carefully calculated neologism used as a propaganda tactic to aid in efforts to repeal estate taxes. The use of "death tax" rather than "estate tax" in the wording of questions in the 2002 National Election Survey increased support for estate tax repeal by only a few percentage points.[44]
    Rich folks on the far right, and the sycophants who kowtow to them hoping to get some crumbs off their banquet table, know that average hard working people do not sympathize with their woes about the Estate Tax so they attempt to play magician and fool us into thinking it is something else entirely. They then hope the great unwashed will embrace the concept that "death should not be a taxable event". And they have suckered enough chumps to come over to their side and can get the law repealed.

    Sorry, but its not working.

    And that is why it is important what we call the tax. It is an Estate Tax and not the neologism "death tax". To this date neither Turtle nor any of his support on this board can come up with any instance of where there is a tax on the act of death that is separate and distinct from the transfer of wealth. Not one in real life or the law.

    There is no death tax and anyone who uses the term is only doing the bidding of the right wing thought police who wish to enlist you in their Caviar Crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    see, i would suggest that you should explain why you are good with Article I Section 10.... but not Article I Section 8.
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    As far as I can tell, the letter doesn't go far enough....not by a mile.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
    Article I Section 8 lists the things that Congress can spend money doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Constitution
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
    IE, if it's not on that list (say, if it's Medicaid), then the government isn't supposed to be doing it.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Article I Section 8 lists the things that Congress can spend money doing.



    IE, if it's not on that list (say, if it's Medicaid), then the government isn't supposed to be doing it.
    So...according to this the Federal Reserve and the standing Army must be dissolved?

    That's what it SAYS.

    Or are we cherrypicking again?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So...according to this the Federal Reserve and the standing Army must be dissolved?

    That's what it SAYS.

    Or are we cherrypicking again?

    the military is clearly a proper federal function

    health care
    education
    welfare (ie income redistribution)
    social security
    the war on drugs
    gun control and bans

    are clearly not



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Please tell me the death tax vs. inheritance tax debate did not ooze into this thread. It's wealth redistribution. Love it or hate it, but take it to the other thread please. I was trying to learn more reasons to scorn unions than I already do, thank you

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Please tell me the death tax vs. inheritance tax debate did not ooze into this thread. It's wealth redistribution. Love it or hate it, but take it to the other thread please. I was trying to learn more reasons to scorn unions than I already do, thank you
    Let's see how the people of Wisconsin like getting more in their paychecks since mandatory union dues are no longer being deducted and sent to the unions. Let's see how the union employees like sending checks into the unions or do they prefer getting more in their paychecks.

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