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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you show us where in the law, it is the act of DEATH that is taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person?
    The act of death is not taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person. One cannot argue that. And you've worded it perfectly. You're right. The inheritance/estate tax is often referred to pejoratively as the death tax. And you know that.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, you post things that do not even come within a mile of what you were actually challenged to do. But what else is new? Oh yeah, the sun rises in the east tomorrow.

    this was your boast



    now prove that.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Prove me wrong simply by demonstrating your lawyering skills out on this one: show us independent verifiable evidence where in the law, it is the act of DEATH that is taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person.


    I have not framed anything any differently than the very defintiion the government uses. If you have a problem with honesty , take it up with the Feds or your own state. Again, that nasty and uncomfortable question about acceptance of reality comes into play yet one more time.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The act of death is not taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person. One cannot argue that. And you've worded it perfectly. You're right. The inheritance/estate tax is often referred to pejoratively as the death tax. And you know that.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The act of death is not taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person. One cannot argue that. And you've worded it perfectly. You're right. The inheritance/estate tax is often referred to pejoratively as the death tax. And you know that.
    no one ever said the act of dying was taxed. and Haymarket knows that. He s the one who wets himself over many of us calling it a death tax which is far more accurate than calling it an estate tax because most estates are never taxed and death has to occur before the tax occurs



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The act of death is not taxed independent and apart from any transfer of wealth to another person. One cannot argue that. And you've worded it perfectly. You're right. The inheritance/estate tax is often referred to pejoratively as the death tax. And you know that.
    the tax occurs before any transfer of wealth happens. and if you transfer wealth before death its another form of tax



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you frame the issue dishonestly

    no one said death is taxed-we said death causes the tax to become an issue

    thus death tax is more a valid description than "estate Tax'

    your defense of calling that abomination a less negative term is touching

    but the act of creating an estate has already been taxed and your beloved death tax does not vest until its owner DIES
    Yes, yes, but as it only applies to those who leave large estates and not to everyone who dies, it is not accurately descriptive at all.

    In fact its deliberately deceptive, as it leads those it does not apply to to believe that it does.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yes, yes, but as it only applies to those who leave large estates and not to everyone who dies, it is not accurately descriptive at all.

    In fact its deliberately deceptive, as it leads those it does not apply to to believe that it does.

    those who support it realize that the only way it survives is if they can sell it based on envy and class warfare.
    if every death resulted in the deceased's family having to deal with the death tax, the politicians who supported such a law would be toast



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who support it realize that the only way it survives is if they can sell it based on envy and class warfare.
    if every death resulted in the deceased's family having to deal with the death tax, the politicians who supported such a law would be toast
    Again, you ignore the role estate taxes have played historically.

    As a counter to the over-concentration of wealth through inheritance.

    As much as it sucks for the wealthy, the simple finite nature of money requires some mechanism to prevent too much of the available money supply being owned by too few individuals.

    Again, no poor tyrants.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Again, you ignore the role estate taxes have played historically.

    As a counter to the over-concentration of wealth through inheritance.

    As much as it sucks for the wealthy, the simple finite nature of money requires some mechanism to prevent too much of the available money supply being owned by too few individuals.

    Again, no poor tyrants.

    your envy is obvious but the death tax was a bit of social engineering that was not proper constitutionally and devised before massive progressive income taxes took place

    and contrary to your leftist dreams-death taxes actually maintain the positions of the uber rich while retarding and preventing others from reaching that position.

    and estate of 500 million will regenerate what is taking during an average lifespan and then some but a 4-5 million dollar estate rarely will

    the uber wealthy often support the death tax

    the small business owners and those who own appreciated real estate that doesn't earn much income do not

    the uber wealthy also love the death tax because it forces the owners of expensive but non-income generating property to sell it upon death. examples-paintings



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