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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its always Obama with you ins't it?

    Google Answers: Budget and Employment Stats for the state of Michigan

    Seems you boy Engler left the state with nearly $4 billion in deficits over his last three budget.
    So you are saying he violated the Michigan Constitution? I never lived in Michigan and was in TX when he was Governor of Michigan but grew up in Ohio and Indiana spending a lot of time in Michigan. You will never convince me that throwing more money at social problems actually solve social problems nor will you convince me that allowing taxpayers to keep more of what they earn is harmful to the state. As with the nation people with more of their money spend a lot more of it on charities thus getting better results. Charities are a better answer than govt. spending.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And obviously I am not? You and I have absolutely nothing in common and if what you say is true then you are indeed a pawn of the radical left. Nothing the radical left stands for is based upon the foundation upon which this country was built, individual responsibility and individual wealth creation. You and your ilk never accept personal responsibility and rely on dependence for you livlihood. It is always someone else's responsiblity for your own failures. I will put my 64 years up against your entire lifetime any day both personally and professionally.
    Again, ridiculuosly reductionist.

    America = me first f*** all y'all just doesn't seem to be what I was taught.

    And "hey! leave a little pie for the rest of us" is not the same as "everyone gets the same amount of pie no matter how much or how little they contributed to the baking of said pie", that's just silly, but you can't conceive of there being some reasonable balance between the two extremes, both of which suck.

    I don't think anyone on the left actually supports the position you attribute to them.

    I think many on the right do support unchecked greed and the false "survival of the fittest" model.

    Seems that way, anyway.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Again, ridiculuosly reductionist.

    America = me first f*** all y'all just doesn't seem to be what I was taught.

    And "hey! leave a little pie for the rest of us" is not the same as "everyone gets the same amount of pie no matter how much or how little they contributed to the baking of said pie", that's just silly, but you can't conceive of there being some reasonable balance between the two extremes, both of which suck.

    I don't think anyone on the left actually supports the position you attribute to them.

    I think many on the right do support unchecked greed and the false "survival of the fittest" model.

    Seems that way, anyway.
    Right, enjoy that liberal utopia that our President is trying to create. Only in the liberal world does the pie not get bigger with private sector growth. We have laws that protect the consumer, don't need a bigger govt. that failed in the first place.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its always Obama with you ins't it?

    Google Answers: Budget and Employment Stats for the state of Michigan

    Seems you boy Engler left the state with nearly $4 billion in deficits over his last three budgets.
    I would bet his rich buddies are much better off.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I would bet his rich buddies are much better off.
    Looks like quite a surplus from 1992-2001 but of course that escaped you and the fact is 32 million in tax cuts went back to the people even with those surpluses. Love how liberals never saw a tax dollar and hike that they didn't love. After all according to a lot of liberals, the people aren't smart enough to spend their own money the right way so they need to send it to the govt. so they can pay high adminisrative costs and spend the rest in the right way.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wow, there you go again, focused on revenue, but never spending. Has a liberal ever seen a social program that deserves cuts? Spending causes debt not lost revenue. If you had lost revenue would you continue to spend? You are so predictable, keep spending in the name of compassion while never getting compassionate results. Keep attacking people and business keeping more of their own money.
    If you have known expenses, would you cut revenue? Would you intentionally sell fewer widgets than would cover your nut?

    Taxes are about all the revenue a govt has.

    And I still haven't seen the joyous benefits of tax cuts on the economy as a whole after ten whole years of their being in place.

    Cut taxes. Scream about deficit this causes. Cut programs that allowed middle class to flourish. use dividend to further cut taxes.

    Repeat until peasantry reestablished.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, enjoy that liberal utopia that our President is trying to create. Only in the liberal world does the pie not get bigger with private sector growth. We have laws that protect the consumer, don't need a bigger govt. that failed in the first place.
    The pie may be increasing in size but those sharing it are growing faster that should mean that every one should be seeing a slightly smaller piece unfortunately that is not the case, the number of poor in this country is increasing while some are getting a larger portion of the pie

    Income Gap Widens: Census Finds Record Gap Between Rich And Poor

    In dollar terms, the rich are still getting richer, and the poor are falling further behind them.

    The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its largest margin ever, a stark divide as Democrats and Republicans spar over whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.

    The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.

    At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.


    What can be envisioned is our people engaged in civil war just like what is going on in the middle east, look at the number of people who will be living at or below the poverty level and then the number of people that will make up the rest of our population and decide which group you would rather find you and yours in.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    If you have known expenses, would you cut revenue? Would you intentionally sell fewer widgets than would cover your nut?

    Taxes are about all the revenue a govt has.

    And I still haven't seen the joyous benefits of tax cuts on the economy as a whole after ten whole years of their being in place.

    Cut taxes. Scream about deficit this causes. Cut programs that allowed middle class to flourish. use dividend to further cut taxes.

    Repeat until peasantry reestablished.
    God forbid we ever get back to the vision our Founders had for the role of the govt. which is laid out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Tax cuts that create jobs and grow revenue do not cause deficits, spending always causes deficits. Here are the line items in the budget, how many are duplicated at the state level and really can be cut?

    For some reason liberals have this obsession with a large central govt. that is bloated and full of bureaucracy.

    Expenses

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Medicare
    Income Security
    Social Security
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Earning is one thing stealing is another, the money that the banking and mortgage companies made from the housing bubble was stealing, the money wall street brokers made is stealing.
    Since it appears that business owners have no incentive to return to America maybe the government should get involved in the creation of wealth more openly, you know instead of creating wars to ensure the flow of oil to American corporations we could form government corporations to handle the oil from the ground to the pump that way we could lessen the impact on the consumer by controlling prices and put the profits back into the government for research and development of alternate energy sources
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    The pie may be increasing in size but those sharing it are growing faster that should mean that every one should be seeing a slightly smaller piece unfortunately that is not the case, the number of poor in this country is increasing while some are getting a larger portion of the pie

    Income Gap Widens: Census Finds Record Gap Between Rich And Poor

    In dollar terms, the rich are still getting richer, and the poor are falling further behind them.

    The income gap between the richest and poorest Americans grew last year to its largest margin ever, a stark divide as Democrats and Republicans spar over whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.

    The top-earning 20 percent of Americans – those making more than $100,000 each year – received 49.4 percent of all income generated in the U.S., compared with the 3.4 percent made by the bottom 20 percent of earners, those who fell below the poverty line, according to the new figures. That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968.

    At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, the data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.


    What can be envisioned is our people engaged in civil war just like what is going on in the middle east, look at the number of people who will be living at or below the poverty level and then the number of people that will make up the rest of our population and decide which group you would rather find you and yours in.
    So you think it is the govt. role to make people have more initiative, drive, and put more effort into creating their own personal wealth? Good luck with that. Why is it that you and others always know exactly what keeps people down and why they aren't successful? Name for me one rich person that kept you from being successful? I don't give a damn how much someone else makes, good for them. No rich person ever kept me from producing good results for myself and my family but many did indeed provide an example for me to follow to become wealthy in so many different ways.

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