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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    yeah right. more from Econ Theory 101 that just never seems to actually work out that way in real life.

    The only relevant word in your post came in the first line at the start of your second sentence.....

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    yeah right. more from Econ Theory 101 that just never seems to actually work out that way in real life.

    The only relevant word in your post came in the first line at the start of your second sentence.....

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    Did the state of Michigan have a deficit or surplus during the Engler years? If they had a surplus then why do you think it is right for the state to overtax its citizens? Just like most state employees you seem to have zero problem taking money from the taxpayers even if more money than is actually needed by the state.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    this is really pathological
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    There is a lot that threatens business. Corrupt leaders, mafia, etc. What to do?!

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah right. more from Econ Theory 101 that just never seems to actually work out that way in real life.

    The only relevant word in your post came in the first line at the start of your second sentence.....

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    Here is the answer to my post which of course I expected you to run from. Since Michigan is required to have a balanced budget and it is obvious that it did during the Engler years why should the state take an extra 32 million dollars from the taxpayers of the state? Seems you are more interested in your own paycheck than in taking care of the taxpayers' money. You have no problem overtaxing the citizens of the state which apparently the 32 million would have done.

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    Yes. Article V, Section 18 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 states, "Proposed expenditures from any fund shall not exceed the estimated revenue thereof."

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    randel, are you a leftwing zealot or simply a pawn for the unions to use for their own benefits? How are the following industries working out for you as these are examples of union "successes?" How many of these industries have had bankruptcies, massive layoffs, going out of business sales, or mergers just to stay in existence thanks to the unions. How did the unions help the people in those industries keep their jobs?

    Steel
    Automobiles
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    Airlines
    Education
    Government workers
    Longshoremen
    Coal mines
    Mariners
    Seems like offshoring to me.

    Businesses try to make the most while providing the least - awesome!

    Workers (without whom many businesses could not exist) try to make the most while providing the least - greatest evil ever known

    I always find this dichotomy amusing.

    And where do the fortunes that derive from military spending fall in all of this.
    Are they evil as well? Funding campaigns for the hawkish? Feathering their nests at the "taxpayers" expense.

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    Any discussion of income/wealth disparity is automatically advocating communism.

    Any discussion of the dissolving middle class is trying to steal from those who "produce" to give to those who don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is the answer to my post which of course I expected you to run from. Since Michigan is required to have a balanced budget and it is obvious that it did during the Engler years why should the state take an extra 32 million dollars from the taxpayers of the state? Seems you are more interested in your own paycheck than in taking care of the taxpayers' money. You have no problem overtaxing the citizens of the state which apparently the 32 million would have done.

    Budget FAQs

    Is the State of Michigan required to have a balanced budget?

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    Yes. Article V, Section 18 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963 states, "Proposed expenditures from any fund shall not exceed the estimated revenue thereof."
    Which tells you nothing about what they had to do to get there. Close down mental health facilities, cancel maintenance on roads and highways and bridges, cut social services, cut aid to education.... who the hell cares about that stuff anyways? btw - the Engler number is something he calculates as including the years HE WAS NOT GOVERNOR and that would be eight of them. There was a Democrat in charge those years........... and yes, they balanced the budget then also.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which tells you nothing about what they had to do to get there. Close down mental health facilities, cancel maintenance on roads and highways and bridges, cut social services, cut aid to education.... who the hell cares about that stuff anyways? btw - the Engler number is something he calculates as including the years HE WAS NOT GOVERNOR and that would be eight of them. There was a Democrat in charge those years........... and yes, they balanced the budget then also.
    For someone who works for the state and is paid for by the taxpayers you really don't have a clue as to the role of govt. and where the revenue comes from to fund those programs. Highway funds come from gasoline taxes and has nothing to do with the tax cuts the Governor implemented. You seem to believe it is the role of the govt. to pay for social services that waste taxpayer dollars. just throw more money at the problem is what liberals do. Not enough money? Just tax people more. Seems that Engler was term limited out and won in a landslide. Now your state is a disaster and you want to blame someone else? Typical. Explain to me why Michigan unemployment went up under the Democrat Governor when the national unemployment rate was dropping?

    Unions destroyed your state and your answer is to blame someone else.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Democrats wanted a bigger, govt controlled program. Are you telling me that the consumer didn't benefit from Medicare Part D? Don't disagree that both parties have a spending problem, but there is only one that doesn't care how much money even you make and that is the party I will support in the absence of a better alternative that has a chance to win.
    They both are moving for bigger, government controlled programs. The main difference as I see it between the parties is which rights they want to come after first, how they first want us subjugated to the whims of government. But the end game is the same for both. Corporate give aways at our expense, larger government, more intrusive government, big deficit, big spending, big war, big brother style government. I don't see the R's doing anything different on this front. It's a scam that there's 2 parties, there is 1. They just bicker and complain to make it look like two; but when you get to the nitty gritty of it, they both act the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    For someone who works for the state and is paid for by the taxpayers you really don't have a clue as to the role of govt. and where the revenue comes from to fund those programs. Highway funds come from gasoline taxes and has nothing to do with the tax cuts the Governor implemented. You seem to believe it is the role of the govt. to pay for social services that waste taxpayer dollars. just throw more money at the problem is what liberals do. Not enough money? Just tax people more. Seems that Engler was term limited out and won in a landslide. Now your state is a disaster and you want to blame someone else? Typical. Explain to me why Michigan unemployment went up under the Democrat Governor when the national unemployment rate was dropping?

    Unions destroyed your state and your answer is to blame someone else.
    You are indeed clueless. What do you think was one of Englers tax cuts? Gasoline taxes in the state which cut the money to repair highways.

    You don't have a clue and its obvious with each and every post you make.
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