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    Looks to me like Democrats took a thriving growing economy and destroyed it.
    Now all you have to do is prove it with more than coincidence.
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    Now all you have to do is prove it with more than coincidence.
    You think it is a coincidence that during the Engler years unemployment dropped but during the Democrat Administration from 2001 on the unemployment rates rose while the national rates were dropping? You need to do better research because liberalism is making a fool out of you.

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    You think it is a coincidence that during the Engler years unemployment dropped but during the Democrat Administration from 2001 on the unemployment rates rose while the national rates were dropping? You need to do better research because liberalism is making a fool out of you.
    Waiting for you to prove your allegation with facts and analysis. The fool is you if you think you can tell me that the sun will come up tomorrow and it is you who made it so. You want to claim that John Engler turned Michigan into Paradise and the Democrats turned it into Hell - fine. Now prove it with a hell of a lot more than just coincidence.
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    Waiting for you to prove your allegation with facts and analysis. The fool is you if you think you can tell me that the sun will come up tomorrow and it is you who made it so. You want to claim that John Engler turned Michigan into Paradise and the Democrats turned it into Hell - fine. Now prove it with a hell of a lot more than just coincidence.
    You have to prove to me that the 32 million in tax benefits to the consumer cost the state 32 million dollars in lost revenue when that seemed to have created 800000 jobs so where is the lost revenue? you don't think unemployment benefits cost the state? How much in unemployment benefits did those 800,000 new workers cost the state? that was your claim not prove it.

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    You have to prove to me that the 32 million in tax benefits to the consumer cost the state 32 million dollars in lost revenue when that seemed to have created 800000 jobs so where is the lost revenue? you don't think unemployment benefits cost the state? How much in unemployment benefits did those 800,000 new workers cost the state? that was your claim not prove it.
    I do not have to prove anything of the sort. John Engler claims that he saved taxpayers $32 million dollars. So who saved the money? Obviously that was $32 million that stayed with the taxpayers and WAS DENEID TO THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. My kids would say "duh" to anybody who did not understand that.

    Engler did not say that he saved SOME taxpayers $32 million while COSTING other Taxpayers $28 billion thus only losing $4 billion to the state. He uses the figure of $32 billion as a savings to ALL THE TAXPAYERS. A savings to the taxpayers is a LOSS to the state coffers. This is not rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not have to prove anything of the sort. John Engler claims that he saved taxpayers $32 million dollars. So who saved the money? Obviously that was $32 million that stayed with the taxpayers and WAS DENEID TO THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. My kids would say "duh" to anybody who did not understand that.

    Engler did not say that he saved SOME taxpayers $32 million while COSTING other Taxpayers $28 billion thus only losing $4 billion to the state. He uses the figure of $32 billion as a savings to ALL THE TAXPAYERS. A savings to the taxpayers is a LOSS to the state coffers. This is not rocket science.
    So you saving your money hurts the state of Michigan? I am sure your kids are smart enough to know that they can use the money better than the state and there is no evidence that saving the taxpayers 32 million cost the state 32 million dollars in revenue. You actually think that the state would have generated 800000 jobs without the tax savings? Where is your proof as you have already said that the economy created jobs. What was the state budget during that period of time? Guess in your world money going to the state is much, much better than money going to the citizens. That explains to me what is wrong with the state of Michigan and liberals.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you print my comment and then yours - there should be some relationship between the two. There is not in your rant.

    In case you have not looked recently, unions are still there in the Auto biz and the companies are making big profits.
    Of course the auto makers are thriving...what with parts manufactured in other countries...vehicles assembled in other countries...and what would you say the employment levels are? Those factories still thriving....booming??? really?

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    So you saving your money hurts the state of Michigan? I am sure your kids are smart enough to know that they can use the money better than the state and there is no evidence that saving the taxpayers 32 million cost the state 32 million dollars in revenue. You actually think that the state would have generated 800000 jobs without the tax savings? Where is your proof as you have already said that the economy created jobs. What was the state budget during that period of time? Guess in your world money going to the state is much, much better than money going to the citizens. That explains to me what is wrong with the state of Michigan and liberals.
    Question: If the taxpayers of Michigan DID NOT pay $32 billion to the state coffers that were suppose to pay, then how much less did the state coffers have?

    Answer: $32 billion dollars.

    I have no idea what all the rest of your crap is trying to prove but that is pretty basic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Question: If the taxpayers of Michigan DID NOT pay $32 billion to the state coffers that were suppose to pay, then how much less did the state coffers have?

    Answer: $32 billion dollars.

    I have no idea what all the rest of your crap is trying to prove but that is pretty basic.
    What did the taxpayers do with that extra money? If they spent it, it got into the state coffers in sales tax revenue or corporate/business tax revenue. It also created 800000 jobs that didn't require unemployment benefits and generated more tax revenue for the state. Liberals don't seem to understand that concept.

    It does say a lot about you when you are more worried about the state getting revenue vs. the taxpayers keeping what they earned. Guess I can understand that since you work for the taxpayers and need that paycheck.

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