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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Facts about Michigans 'illegal' action...

    State intervention on local unit financial emergencies is not new, nor is only supported by Republicans:
     Michigan has had an emergency financial manager law on the books since 1988.
     The original law was signed by Democrat governor James Blanchard.
     An emergency financial manager has only been put in place a total of 10 times in more than 20
    years. Emergency financial managers have been utilized by both Republican and Democrat
    governors.
     State Treasurer Andy Dillon, who previously served as the Democrat Speaker of the House, is
    leading the administrationís effort to ensure emergency managers that may be necessary in the
    future are properly trained.

    Whaaaaaat??? This would indicate that argument promoted by the lead Union hack is false??? Im totally SHOCKED....

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sn...2_347889_7.pdf

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all. Even after voting, I don't think I saw this level of criticism against Bush that I see from your side against Obama, despite the fact that they are nearly the same. All this Obama blah blah blah wasn't being thrown out when Bush did the same thing.

    Y'all support big government, big spending, big intrusion, big deficit, big war, big brother style government; it's just that you want your form of big spending, big intrusion, big deficit, big war, big brother style government.
    That is speculation, there was a lot of outrage over the Bush spending but that was tempered by a pro growth economic policy vs. a pro public sector economic policy. I believe you know the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is an extremely cavalier attitude you have when it involves taking away peoples rights. I guess it would be too much to ask you to go against your fellow worshippers bowing before the same ideological altar?

    Michigan got into trouble for two reasons.
    First, John Engler was Governor for 12 years and he cut $32 billion dollars of revenue out of the state budget.
    Former Governors - Governor John Engler Biography



    The sad thing is that the promised increase in jobs proved to be only temporary while the tax cuts were permanent. Republicans have held the State Senate and have refused to correct Michigans out of date tax structure with anything more than minor tinkering around the edges.

    For example, our neighbor state to the South - Ohio has a state progressive income tax while we do not.

    As the GOP has become a party of right wing ideologues, Michigan has been no exception. The party that tells us that government will not solve our problems has made surethat government in this state does not work. Long before the national GOP became the Party of NO in Washington in 2009, the Michigan Senate was dominated by Republican zealots who wanted to make sure government in Michigan did not work.

    And there is the fundamental problem: entrusting government to people who hate government and talk about it with scorn at each and every opportunity.

    Second, Michigan was the one of the main manufacturing hubs in the nation and the home of the auto business. As the Big Three lost market share to foreign manufacturers and the federal government did not protect our manufacturing base, it hurt Michigan's economy and jobs hard.
    And of course you WERE aggressively working against the democrat governors in your state when this has been done in the past...right?

    Cavalier? Dood...this country is a sinking ship because of the fiscal irresponsibility executed by democrats and republicans. If there are some people taking tough aggressive stands now...iIknow it sucks to be you...but your alternative is...what exactly? Your state is a financial ****hole. The trick is to start bailing water OUT...and STOP scooping up water and pouring it IN your little dingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Got what wrong? I told you that the job increase did happen but was temporary while the tax cut structure became permanent. My god but you are tremendously intellectually dishonest. Engler had the good fortune to be in office a the same time as Bill Clinton was President. Do you want to give credit to him for Michigan's booming economy in those years?
    In 1991 Engler took office with Unemployment at 8.9% and took it to 3.4% in 2000. In 2001 we went into recession and had 9/11 so the unemployment rate rose to 6.4%. It is 10.4% today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First, show me a quote that says that. This link is an interpretation of what was said. Same link says:



    "Fair share" does not mean, "We agree to Walker's financial concessions." That's one point.

    Second point is that unions all over the state rushed to get their contracts signed while this legislation was being stonewalled by the Democrats. Show me that these newly signed contracts include these concessions. You can't. Because they don't.
    Show me where Walker ever even offered to consider the give back? You can't because he didn't, because it would not serve his purpose, because the primary driving force behind his actions was not wages it was about restricting the teachers collective bargaining rights.

    In a way I am happy to see how the Republicans are attacking the middle class, maybe it will wake them up and get them back to the poles in 2012.

    The sad thing is that it does not matter without job creation we are in a downward wage and standard of living spiral that will end only when we are wage competitive with the foreign countries that we are competing with in the global economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is speculation, there was a lot of outrage over the Bush spending but that was tempered by a pro growth economic policy vs. a pro public sector economic policy. I believe you know the difference.
    Nope, I saw a lot of hand outs to the rich, lots of benefits for corporations, a Medicare Part D which was nothing more than a pure handout of taxpayer money to the pharmacutical companies, a war we didn't need to involve ourself in, a war plan that was obviously anything but, suspect behavior from the government, laxed approaches to duties, Cheny claiming to be part of the executive or legislative branch whenever it suited his needs, a budget which exploded, a deficit which exploded, regulations removed from banking industry, an economy which blew up due to the lax regulations, etc. And in all that I saw very little outrage from your side. Now that Obama does pretty much the same thing, I see the outrage I had expected to see before. It's hypocricy and nothing more. The R changes to a D and then there's outrage; that's all that happened. I believe you know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, I saw a lot of hand outs to the rich, lots of benefits for corporations, a Medicare Part D which was nothing more than a pure handout of taxpayer money to the pharmacutical companies, a war we didn't need to involve ourself in, a war plan that was obviously anything but, suspect behavior from the government, laxed approaches to duties, Cheny claiming to be part of the executive or legislative branch whenever it suited his needs, a budget which exploded, a deficit which exploded, regulations removed from banking industry, an economy which blew up due to the lax regulations, etc. And in all that I saw very little outrage from your side. Now that Obama does pretty much the same thing, I see the outrage I had expected to see before. It's hypocricy and nothing more. The R changes to a D and then there's outrage; that's all that happened. I believe you know that.

    The Republocrats do not serve the Republic or the People.
    Not sure how to get this through to you but people keeping the money they earned isn't a handout, never has been nor will it ever be. Anyone that believes that has truly been brainwased.

    Obviously you don't seem to understand incentive and how Part D played into that incentive. Read the bill and see what it does instead of buying liberal talking points. It reduced Medicare Part D costs as I posted.

    The outrage against obama is the focus on the public sector instead of the private sector and we have a private sector economy. Govt creates debt, not individual wealth creation.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure how to get this through to you but people keeping the money they earned isn't a handout, never has been nor will it ever be. Anyone that believes that has truly been brainwased.

    Obviously you don't seem to understand incentive and how Part D played into that incentive. Read the bill and see what it does instead of buying liberal talking points. It reduced Medicare Part D costs as I posted.

    The outrage against obama is the focus on the public sector instead of the private sector and we have a private sector economy. Govt creates debt, not individual wealth creation.
    It's funny to see people defend improper government action so long as it is improper government action they like. Thanks for showing why there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. I mean, there were a few folk all red in the face claiming that Wisconsin unions were tax payer supplied because teacher's wages go to dues. But here's other things which directly give away tax payer money, and it's now something else. It'd be funny if it weren't one of the main causes why the Republic is failing. Great job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's funny to see people defend improper government action so long as it is improper government action they like. Thanks for showing why there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. I mean, there were a few folk all red in the face claiming that Wisconsin unions were tax payer supplied because teacher's wages go to dues. But here's other things which directly give away tax payer money, and it's now something else. It'd be funny if it weren't one of the main causes why the Republic is failing. Great job!
    Shows me how you believe in govt. responsibility over personal responsibility. Where did I ever support improper govt. action? Liberals give away other's money every day on things they believe important. The difference between the two parties is one believes in equal opportunity while the other believes in equal outcome.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure how to get this through to you but people keeping the money they earned isn't a handout, never has been nor will it ever be. Anyone that believes that has truly been brainwased.

    Obviously you don't seem to understand incentive and how Part D played into that incentive. Read the bill and see what it does instead of buying liberal talking points. It reduced Medicare Part D costs as I posted.

    The outrage against obama is the focus on the public sector instead of the private sector and we have a private sector economy. Govt creates debt, not individual wealth creation.
    Earning is one thing stealing is another, the money that the banking and mortgage companies made from the housing bubble was stealing, the money wall street brokers made is stealing.
    Since it appears that business owners have no incentive to return to America maybe the government should get involved in the creation of wealth more openly, you know instead of creating wars to ensure the flow of oil to American corporations we could form government corporations to handle the oil from the ground to the pump that way we could lessen the impact on the consumer by controlling prices and put the profits back into the government for research and development of alternate energy sources

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