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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are two sides to every budget and both must be examined. You seem to ignore that reality in favor of faith and ideology. John Engler himself brags about taking $32 billion out of the state coffers. Only a total and complete idiot would believe that such a reckless move would not endanger the financial health of the state. Of course, Engler was a total and complete idiot.
    No, what I understand is that people with more of their money need less of that govt. help you are promoting and further I know that jobs created in the private sector are better than jobs in the public sector regarding individual wealth creation vs dependenced created by liberalism

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are two sides to every budget and both must be examined. You seem to ignore that reality in favor of faith and ideology. John Engler himself brags about taking $32 billion out of the state coffers. Only a total and complete idiot would believe that such a reckless move would not endanger the financial health of the state. Of course, Engler was a total and complete idiot.
    I understand, in your world high unemployment good but low unemployment bad. Engler's unemployment numbers kick the Democrats' butt.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    News flash for you Conservative: every law every ruled as unconstitutional was deemed legit with the folks that first passed it. So what?
    So what? If it is unconstitution get it declared unconstitutional. That is what the courts are for unless of course when you are the "messiah" like Obama is and ignores court orders.

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    Got what wrong? I told you that the job increase did happen but was temporary while the tax cut structure became permanent. My god but you are tremendously intellectually dishonest. Engler had the good fortune to be in office a the same time as Bill Clinton was President. Do you want to give credit to him for Michigan's booming economy in those years?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Wisconsin teacher unions offer concessions (Wizbang)

    Top leaders of two of Wisconsin's largest public employee unions announced they are willing to accept the financial concessions called for in [Governor] Walker's plan, but will not accept the loss of collective bargaining rights.


    Walker did not want to negotiate he only wants to enforce his will, being in a union does not eliminate future contract negotiations,Walker was more interested in trying to drive out the unions then he was in reducing the deficit through honest negotiations
    First, show me a quote that says that. This link is an interpretation of what was said. Same link says:

    Mary Bell, president of the Wisconsin Education Association Council, and Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME Council 24, said in a conference call with reporters that workers will do their fair share to narrow Wisconsin's budget gap.
    "Fair share" does not mean, "We agree to Walker's financial concessions." That's one point.

    Second point is that unions all over the state rushed to get their contracts signed while this legislation was being stonewalled by the Democrats. Show me that these newly signed contracts include these concessions. You can't. Because they don't.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    compare Bush's two justices to Clinton's two and Obama's two
    Same ****, different sides.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what? If it is unconstitution get it declared unconstitutional. That is what the courts are for unless of course when you are the "messiah" like Obama is and ignores court orders.
    Just when I think you have hit the bottom of your own barrel, you announce to the world that you are digging out a new basement.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Got what wrong? I told you that the job increase did happen but was temporary while the tax cut structure became permanent. My god but you are tremendously intellectually dishonest. Engler had the good fortune to be in office a the same time as Bill Clinton was President. Do you want to give credit to him for Michigan's booming economy in those years?
    temporary? for 10 years? LOL, good fortune of being in office while Clinton was in office? Where did welfare reform come from? Lower unemployment thanks to Engler now is credited to Clinton? LOL

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just when I think you have hit the bottom of your own barrel, you announce to the world that you are digging out a new basement.
    Sorry, haymarket to confuse you with facts, logic, and common sense. I realize those have no place in the liberal world.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the thread topic? I voted for Bush because his opponent was Gore who would have been worse, IMO. I voted for Bush again when his opponent was Kerry, again a better alternative. Now who should I have voted for with those options? I refuse to waste my vote and thus vote for the better alternative, now back to the thread topic.
    Just pointing out the hypocrisy is all. Even after voting, I don't think I saw this level of criticism against Bush that I see from your side against Obama, despite the fact that they are nearly the same. All this Obama blah blah blah wasn't being thrown out when Bush did the same thing.

    Y'all support big government, big spending, big intrusion, big deficit, big war, big brother style government; it's just that you want your form of big spending, big intrusion, big deficit, big war, big brother style government.
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