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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does any of that have to do with Republicans passing the new Emergency Manager law taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government?

    Attacking me personally does not change what the Republicans in Michigan have done.
    I looked that up. Wow. I wish Illinois had something like that. I don't see it as taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government. I look at it as the state being able to step in and fix things that have been broken. Interesting. One thing that bothers me that I read was that it gives the state the right to break contracts. I don't agree with that. I'm betting that won't stand up to the challenge that's sure to come. It's sure got the unions steppin' to, though. Emergency Manager law quickly impacting unions in Michigan | The Washington Independent

    I find it interesting that Republican governors are really taking flack while trying to stop the tax/spend cycle -- while, at the Federal level, nothing of any consequence is really happening. Frankly, though? We should be more concerned with what's going on at the state level -- since, for most people, that's probably where more of their tax dollars go.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did you not read the article on the new law just passed by Republicans in both houses of the Michigan legislature and signed by the Republican Governor without one single Democratic vote of support?
    No, nor do I care as it is a state and local issue not a federal issue and has zero affect on me in the state of TX. I do recall that Republicans just took over the state govt. in January 2011 after years of Democrat rule and decades of rule in cities like Detroit. Looks like the people of Michigan voted for a different direction and the question is what took them so long? Apparently you have a problem with the legislation in the state that didn't get any Democrat support but no problem at the Federal level with Obama legislation that got almost zero Republican support, stimulus and healthcare? Looks to me like states are doing what they are supposed to do but legislation at the Federal level should represent all Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are the one whining about the republicans...so lets stick with the issues. What is the state of your state? What did the republican governor inherit? How are your cities doing? How is your unemployment?
    Boy are you trying really hard to confuse the issue here. You seem to be the type of rabid partisan who will not criticize the politicians who worship at the same altar as you do. And because you want to attack Dems and unions, the side you picked in this fight were Michigan republicans. Where are the principled conservatives of the day of William F. Buckley? Alas, they are all dead and gone and in their place are screaming pretenders without principle.

    What happened to Lincoln's "government of the people, by the people and for the people"?
    What happened to Reagan scaring the nation with the feared phrases "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"?

    The Republicans in Michigan have just passed new legislation which allows the State to take over local government even if they have the belief that a financial deficit may occur. It gives them the power to take over city assets, sell them, and destroy contracts in direct violation of the US Constitution Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1.

    It destroys democratic representation and imposes dictatorships in communities. And because it was passed by Republicans, partisans here defend it !??!?!?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, nor do I care as it is a state and local issue not a federal issue and has zero affect on me in the state of TX. I do recall that Republicans just took over the state govt. in January 2011 after years of Democrat rule and decades of rule in cities like Detroit. Looks like the people of Michigan voted for a different direction and the question is what took them so long? Apparently you have a problem with the legislation in the state that didn't get any Democrat support but no problem at the Federal level with Obama legislation that got almost zero Republican support, stimulus and healthcare? Looks to me like states are doing what they are supposed to do but legislation at the Federal level should represent all Americans.
    I have a serious problem with a law that violates the US Constitution - Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1.

    The real question here is why don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think patience and memory are the keys that will close the door on the republicans in 2012
    How about actually worrying about dealing with unemployment and the budget deficit. If neither party can work on those issues they should both be thrown out. Its time to stop whining about party and start looking at the ****hole that has been created BY both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I looked that up. Wow. I wish Illinois had something like that. I don't see it as taking away the rights of local people to elect and have their own local government. I look at it as the state being able to step in and fix things that have been broken. Interesting. One thing that bothers me that I read was that it gives the state the right to break contracts. I don't agree with that. I'm betting that won't stand up to the challenge that's sure to come. It's sure got the unions steppin' to, though. Emergency Manager law quickly impacting unions in Michigan | The Washington Independent

    I find it interesting that Republican governors are really taking flack while trying to stop the tax/spend cycle -- while, at the Federal level, nothing of any consequence is really happening. Frankly, though? We should be more concerned with what's going on at the state level -- since, for most people, that's probably where more of their tax dollars go.
    Maggie - you are a smart cookie. Now think this through. If the people cannot vote for their local government and it can be destroyed with one dictate of the State - how does that not concern you? I would think that the right of people to have their own government of the people, by the people and for the people would be a major issue for you.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Boy are you trying really hard to confuse the issue here. You seem to be the type of rabid partisan who will not criticize the politicians who worship at the same altar as you do. And because you want to attack Dems and unions, the side you picked in this fight were Michigan republicans. Where are the principled conservatives of the day of William F. Buckley? Alas, they are all dead and gone and in their place are screaming pretenders without principle.

    What happened to Lincoln's "government of the people, by the people and for the people"?
    What happened to Reagan scaring the nation with the feared phrases "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"?

    The Republicans in Michigan have just passed new legislation which allows the State to take over local government even if they have the belief that a financial deficit may occur. It gives them the power to take over city assets, sell them, and destroy contracts in direct violation of the US Constitution Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1.

    It destroys democratic representation and imposes dictatorships in communities. And because it was passed by Republicans, partisans here defend it !??!?!?!?!?
    I'll ask again...KNOWING you never answer questions...especially ones that destroy your arguments...

    What is the state of Michigans economy? What did the governor inherit? What is the tax obligation on Michigan citizens that cities are running up due to their fiscal irresponsible nature? What is Detroits current unemployment? How many schools have they had to shut down because they cant manage their budget? What is their current debt? And how are those schools doing education wise?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How about actually worrying about dealing with unemployment and the budget deficit. If neither party can work on those issues they should both be thrown out. Its time to stop whining about party and start looking at the ****hole that has been created BY both parties.
    They're too busy playing politics.

    It's truly sad.

    Your credit rating is going to suffer because idiot republocrats aren't actually addressing anything. The Republican spending cuts and the democrat spending "cuts" if you could even call them that, are nothing short of pathetic and short sited

    Social Security. Medicaid, medicare and defence are the areas of spending that need to be addressed, everything else is chump change.

    But no one is willing to touch it.

    And unemployment.

    Well that's another beast all together. I don't really know what congress can do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'll ask again...KNOWING you never answer questions...especially ones that destroy your arguments...

    What is the state of Michigans economy? What did the governor inherit? What is the tax obligation on Michigan citizens that cities are running up due to their fiscal irresponsible nature? What is Detroits current unemployment? How many schools have they had to shut down because they cant manage their budget? What is their current debt? And how are those schools doing education wise?
    ANSWER: None of your questions have anything to do with the right of the people to elect and have their own government. That is a basic American principle that trumps any of your questions. The solution crafted violates the US Constitution. It violates the Michigan Constitution.

    None of your questions and no answers to your questions change that. So please take your strawmen back into the barn and deal with the situation as it is.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have a serious problem with a law that violates the US Constitution - Article I, Section 10, paragraph 1.

    The real question here is why don't you?
    Sounds like you have a problem in Michigan now but didn't have a problem when Demcrats were bankrupting the states. you claim it is a violation of the Constitution? If so challenge it in court and stop you whining about the vote of the people of Michigan to put Republicans in charge.

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