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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Wow.......the act of government taking money from people is the only way this country survived.

    ....if only we could Progress to a 100% tax rate.......and really get this country growing.
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    yup. all we need is to tax everyone 100% of income, and then just have the government be in charge of redistributing it to everyone as they needed... to each according to his needs, you know? yeah, there's no way that plan can fail.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Show me a link that proves your allegation that nonunion states do not have special education classes.
    From the link I posted:

    "The large number of 504 and Special Ed Students placed in mainstream class (approximately 20 percent)."
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    BS and more BS and you cannot find a shred of evidence that progressive taxes made the middle class stronger. what really spurred the middle class was the huge economic advantage the US had for the period after WWII to about 1960 being the only industrial power that had not been destroyed by the war
    Under today's tax system that would never have occurred. Our GDP is higher now then then and yet Middle Class has declined because the Progressive tax system was slashed. 30 years of Reaganomics has been a huge failure for the middle class.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    China is hardly "small".
    China spends less than half of what we spend on military, and that doesn't even include the cost of our wars.

    but either way, the point remains relevant. It doesn't matter if Georgia spends a higher percentage of GDP than the US; the quality of her military is still poorer than ours. because we spend much, much more. Georgia could spend 25% of GDP on her military and still it wouldn't be as effective as ours.
    The point was to compare the priority to overspend on the miltary and optional wars versus our very low priority for education funding, 37th in the world.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Sure I would.....as soon as I have my tenure I would be untouchable....with virtually no chance of being fired.....a bloated paycheck regardless of results.....and Free Gold Plated Health Care and a Diamond Inlayed Pension for eternity........all paid for by stealing from poor and middle class workers who make less and have fewer benefits.

    ........this is what Union Pride is all about, my fellow Union Brother.
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    you my friend, are sadly mistaken, and if you had been in a union , you would know that poor performance could AND WOULD get you fired. bloated paycheck? hardly...'diamond inlayed pension'? nope(again, showing how little you know of unions, as you assume everyone in a union gets a pension) free gold plated health care? i wish(actually pay around 27% of the cost of my healthcare, as per my CONTRACT) stealing jobs ? uh, no....joining together with like minded folks to negotiate a CONTRACT, working with these same folks to build a better future for ourselves? ABSOFRICKIN'LOUTLEY....

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Tell me about it! Now you have to do three just to get what one would get you at our height of power. And then the bastards go and get reconstructive surgery and you have to do it again- for free! Of course that rate is here in Michigan. Too much competition from other union thugs and goons. There are just so many of them here. I am thinking of relocating to a more friendly place like northern New Jersey.
    jersey eh? if you relocate, and if you need help, let me know, been awhile since i kneecapped someone, would be just like the good ol' days again. good times, good times, good times....

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Not only do they threaten business they threaten most State budgets and the Federal Budget as well.

    I used to belong to the IAM back in the late 60s and they were in the business of collecting dues not supporting the workers. They scrwed me and thousands of others in 69.

    Since I have been anti-union and very successful at it.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    China spends less than half of what we spend on military
    noone in the NIPR world really knows what they spend with a military application in mind - and above that isn't crystal clear, either. suffice to say they spend far more than your chart suggests. considering the disparity in our relative postures, they probably outweigh us regionally.

    The point was to compare the priority to overspend on the miltary and optional wars versus our very low priority for education funding, 37th in the world.
    oh. you were intentionally posting meaningless figures. and why - again - is it that you refuse topost those raw dollars?

    you might as well- we are still only 4th in the world

    ...[url+http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/12/your-child-left-behind/8310/]Eric Hanushek[/url], who grew up outside Cleveland and graduated from the Air Force Academy in 1965, has the gentle voice and manner of Mr. Rogers, but he has spent the past 40 years calmly butchering conventional wisdom on education. In study after study, he has demonstrated that our assumptions about what works are almost always wrong. More money does not tend to lead to better results; smaller class sizes do not tend to improve learning...

    Over the years, as Hanushek has focused more on international comparisons, he has heard a variety of theories as to why U.S. students underperform so egregiously. When he started, the prevailing excuse was that the testing wasn’t fair. Other countries were testing a more select group of students, while we were testing everyone. That is no longer true: due to better sampling techniques and other countries’ decisions to educate more of their citizens, we’re now generally comparing apples to apples.

    These days, the theory Hanushek hears most often is what we might call the diversity excuse. When he runs into his neighbors at Palo Alto coffee shops, they lament the condition of public schools overall, but are quick to exempt the schools their own kids attend. “In the litany of excuses, one explanation is always, ‘We’re a very heterogeneous society—all these immigrants are dragging us down. But our kids are doing fine,’” Hanushek says. This latest study was designed, in part, to test the diversity excuse...

    The international test Hanushek used for this study—the Programme for International Student Assessment, or PISA—is administered every three years to 15-year-olds in about 60 countries. Some experts love this test; others, like Tom Loveless at the Brookings Institution, criticize it as a poor judge of what schools are teaching. But despite his concerns about PISA, Loveless, who has read an advance version of Hanushek’s study, agrees with its primary conclusion. “The United States does not do a good job of educating kids at the top,” he says. “There’s a long-standing attitude that, ‘Well, smart kids can make it on their own. And after all, they’re doing well. So why worry about them?’”..

    As it turned out, even these relatively privileged students do not compete favorably with average students in other well-off countries. On a percentage basis, New York state has fewer high performers among white kids than Poland has among kids overall. In Illinois, the percentage of kids with a college-educated parent who are highly skilled at math is lower than the percentage of such kids among all students in Iceland, France, Estonia, and Sweden...

    Reading the list, one cannot help but thank God for Massachusetts, which offers the United States some shred of national dignity—a result echoed in other international tests. “If all American fourth- and eighth-grade kids did as well in math and science as they do in Massachusetts,” writes the veteran education author Karin Chenoweth in her 2009 book, How It’s Being Done, “we still wouldn’t be in Singapore’s league but we’d be giving Japan and Chinese Taipei a run for their money.”

    Is it because Massachusetts is so white? Or so immigrant-free? Or so rich? Not quite. Massachusetts is indeed slightly whiter and slightly better-off than the U.S. average. But in the late 1990s, it nonetheless lagged behind similar states—such as Connecticut and Maine—in nationwide tests of fourth- and eighth-graders. It was only after a decade of educational reforms that Massachusetts began to rank first in the nation.

    What did Massachusetts do? Well, nothing that many countries (and industries) didn’t do a long time ago. For example, Massachusetts made it harder to become a teacher, requiring newcomers to pass a basic literacy test before entering the classroom. (In the first year, more than a third of the new teachers failed the test.) The state also required students to pass a test before graduating from high school—a notion so heretical that it led to protests in which students burned state superintendent David Driscoll in effigy...

    Massachusetts, in other words, began demanding meaningful outcomes from everyone in the school building. Obvious though it may seem, it’s an idea that remains sacrilegious in many U.S. schools, despite the clumsy advances of No Child Left Behind. Instead, we still fixate on inputs—such as how much money we are pouring into the system or how small our class sizes are—and wind up with little to show for it. Since the early 1970s, we’ve doubled the amount of money we spend per pupil nationwide, but our high-schoolers’ reading and math scores have barely budged.

    Per student, we now spend more than all but three other countries—Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Norway—on elementary and secondary education. And the list of countries that spend the most, notably, has little in common with the outcomes that Hanushek and his colleagues put into rank order. (The same holds true on the state level, where New York, one of the highest-spending states—it topped the list at $17,000 per pupil in 2008—still comes in behind 15 other states and 30 countries on Hanushek’s list.)..
    spending =/= quality or priority.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    jersey eh? if you relocate, and if you need help, let me know, been awhile since i kneecapped someone, would be just like the good ol' days again. good times, good times, good times....
    That is a very kind offer. And in return for the favor I would gladly allow you to kneecap the anti-unionist. It would be my pleasure.

    Let me ask you this. Where do you fall on the age old question of which knee is the better to cap - the right knee or the left knee? The first dozen or so that I did, I felt the right knee on a right handed person was the correct one since it tended to be the leg they led with. But then I read the seminal work by Vito Brazatti in which he claims that 280 plus years of research in over a dozen nations shows that the left knee poses far more adjustment problems for the victim.

    I would love to know your expert opinion on that topic.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Wow.......the act of government taking money from people is the only way this country survived.

    ....if only we could Progress to a 100% tax rate.......and really get this country growing.
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    That wouldn't work. 100 and 0 are both unworkable, can't have 100% tax and can't have a 0% tax. So maybe we can put the hyperbole aside and try to be a bit more rational when debating.
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