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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Their employer
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What car do you drive, which company do you buy electricity from
    Are they union shops, if so did you give the money to the union
    Did you notice the choice to buy a car or deciding which company to buy electricity from.........

    ............involves FREE CHOICE?........
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    And where does "their employer" get the money?
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    From taxes generally, but once the taxes are paid it is no longer your money now is it. In the same way if I buy a ford, once the money leaves my hands it is fords money not mine
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's see your plan, or the one you are referencing here? I must have missed the reallocation of funds in Wisconsin's budget to the students. Are they hiring more teachers? Are they increasing instruction time? The only reallocation I read about was taking about the same amount to be cut from teachers and giving it to corporations in the form of more tax breaks.
    I came back into this thread because of your ridiculous comparison of education v military as % of GDP. I am not specifically addressing Wisconsin. Neither were you. However, now that you mention it, by eliminating the teachers' unions jackboot control over administrators and school boards, we just might see some reallocation of funding.

    When you cite a link, at least let it corroborate your ascertain that nonunion schools don't have special ed classes. Jeesh.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Did you notice the choice to buy a car or deciding which company to buy electricity from.........

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    So your objection should be to the taxes and not the union
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I came back into this thread because of your ridiculous comparison of education v military as % of GDP. I am not specifically addressing Wisconsin. Neither were you. However, now that you mention it, by eliminating the teachers' unions jackboot control over administrators and school boards, we just might see some reallocation of funding.
    The fact that MA was able to increase funding and use it appropriately to raise its level of education without attacking teachers unions and funding like Wisconsin has makes this argument invalid.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    From taxes generally, but once the taxes are paid it is no longer your money now is it. In the same way if I buy a ford, once the money leaves my hands it is fords money not mine
    And where does this tax money come from?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    And where does this tax money come from?
    Taxing people who use public roads. Use public education.

    Go to the public library. And call the police and fire department.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I have seen you personally attack people all over this board much worse than I've ever done and you play the victim every time. When I was newer, I didn't realize that this is just your M.O.. Even this retort is veiled with personal attacks - you're just more passive about it.
    Examples?

    1. I never said "money alone" will do the trick and neither has anybody else. Me and others have talked about money as a factor that contributes to a good education particularly when you consider the fact that most states underfund low-income schools which tend to perform worse. You keep making up that claim "money alone" and arguing against. I have argued that increased funding + appropriate use of funding = better education.

    2. The fact that you think that the study I provided was "more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York" just means that you are unwilling to acknowledge facts that counter your comfortable world view. Massachusetts increased funding, spent that increased funding on poor schools in places where it was needed and increased its math literacy from 23% to 49%. I am dumbfounded that anyone could look at that and say: "well money isn't a big deal".
    Having the state supreme court intervene in your school system indicates to me that it was a dismal failure. Maybe that's what should happen in every state. But throwing more money at the problem is not the answer.

    3. What you fail to realize, in your attack of an imaginary argument that "money solves all problems", is that increased money does good things when it is spent appropriately. Underfunded schools need more money just like underfunded schools need to spend their bigger funds appropriately.
    Yes, increased money does do good things when it is spent appropriately. So does the same amount of money. Spending money appropriately is the answer...not an endless supply of it.

    Although you have provided statistics that show New York's funding has not lead to a quick increase in better education, you have not shown 1. How they used those funds (obviously MA used them appropriately, did NY?) ....and you have not realized 2. New York just began an overhaul of its education system. Massachusetts didn't see the full extent of their reforms' influence for 10-12 years. Reform takes time. It doesn't just happen in 2-4 years.
    NY is a beautiful example that more money doesn't mean better educations. New York spends far more per student than Massachusetts yet has absolutely dismal statistics. Proves my point exactly. It's not MORE money that's needed. It's more money spent the right way.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Taxing people who use public roads. Use public education.

    Go to the public library. And call the police and fire department.
    ....and taxing the people who do not use......
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