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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Wrong......Government takes the money from you, at gunpoint if necessary.....and gives it to the Union.

    The Union Circle of Theft
    From The Taxpayer......To Statist Government....To Union Slobs....To the Union....and back to Statist Politicians......
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    strange, i've never had the government take money from me by gunpoint...try again?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not necessarily increased funding. Reallocation of funds from their budgets would accomplish the very same thing. Spent more money on students. Less on administration. Less on legal fees. Less on nonteaching positions. This is such a slippery eel no one can get their arms around it -- other than to say: We Need More $$$$!!!
    Let's see your plan, or the one you are referencing here? I must have missed the reallocation of funds in Wisconsin's budget to the students. Are they hiring more teachers? Are they increasing instruction time? The only reallocation I read about was taking about the same amount to be cut from teachers and giving it to corporations in the form of more tax breaks.



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    strange, i've never had the government take money from me by gunpoint...try again?
    .....because its easier and safer to just let THE MOB take it isnt it. Should you object, they send men with guns to your door.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Wrong......Government takes the money from you, at gunpoint if necessary.....and gives it to the Union.

    The Union Circle of Theft
    From The Taxpayer......To Statist Government....To Union Slobs....To the Union....and back to Statist Politicians......
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    It doesnt give it to the union, they have to purchase the services of the workers who happen to be in the union. The people in the Union pay for union services I do not
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm getting very tired of your personal attacks, TPD. Whatever it mentioned "albeit briefly" should have been cited in your quote.

    Not at all. Your example was more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York State that I posted earlier. We can both cherry pick all day long...the fact remains that money alone (Catawba's ridiculous comparion to our military spending) will do nothing to give students a better education. It's how that money is spent. If you can't accept that statement as true, I really can't help you.
    I have seen you personally attack people all over this board much worse than I've ever done and you play the victim every time. When I was newer, I didn't realize that this is just your M.O.. Even this retort is veiled with personal attacks - you're just more passive about it.

    There is a difference between "money alone" and
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students.
    1. I never said "money alone" will do the trick and neither has anybody else. Me and others have talked about money as a factor that contributes to a good education particularly when you consider the fact that most states underfund low-income schools which tend to perform worse. You keep making up that claim "money alone" and arguing against. I have argued that increased funding + appropriate use of funding = better education.

    2. The fact that you think that the study I provided was "more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York" just means that you are unwilling to acknowledge facts that counter your comfortable world view. Massachusetts increased funding, spent that increased funding on poor schools in places where it was needed and increased its math literacy from 23% to 49%. I am dumbfounded that anyone could look at that and say: "well money isn't a big deal".

    3. What you fail to realize, in your attack of an imaginary argument that "money solves all problems", is that increased money does good things when it is spent appropriately. Underfunded schools need more money just like underfunded schools need to spend their bigger funds appropriately.

    Although you have provided statistics that show New York's funding has not lead to a quick increase in better education, you have not shown 1. How they used those funds (obviously MA used them appropriately, did NY?) ....and you have not realized 2. New York just began an overhaul of its education system. Massachusetts didn't see the full extent of their reforms' influence for 10-12 years. Reform takes time. It doesn't just happen in 2-4 years.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It doesnt give it to the union, they have to purchase the services of the workers who happen to be in the union. The people in the Union pay for union services I do not
    Good gawd........a testament to willfull ignorance.

    "The people in the Union pay for union services I do not"

    ....so where did the people in the union get the money?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Good gawd........a testament to willfull ignorance.

    "The people in the Union pay for union services I do not"

    ....so where did the people in the union get the money?
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    Public unions? The Taxpayers of course....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Good gawd........a testament to willfull ignorance.

    "The people in the Union pay for union services I do not"

    ....so where did the people in the union get the money?
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    Their employer
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    strange, i've never had the government take money from me by gunpoint...try again?
    That's the far-right paranoid's fantasy. They all want to live out their own Ruby Ridge.

    How many are honest enough to admit they got a copy of Tuner Diaries under the mattress?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Public unions? The Taxpayers of course....
    What car do you drive, which company do you buy electricity from

    Are they union shops, if so did you give the money to the union
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