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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, my point in this discussion has been to show the much higher priority in this country for military spending as compared to education.
    Then somewhere in your discussion, you should tell us why you think that's so wrong 'cause just runnin' it up the flagpole isn't doin' it.

    And, by the way, prove to us that spending more money will give us smarter kids.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Then somewhere in your discussion, you should tell us why you think that's so wrong 'cause just runnin' it up the flagpole isn't doin' it.

    And, by the way, prove to us that spending more money will give us smarter kids.
    Are you not aware its been proven that a higher teacher to student ratio, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids, all increase academic achievement?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you not aware its been proven that a higher teacher to student ratio, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids, all increase academic achievement?
    We're doing all of that. Money isn't the only answer, Catawba. If that were true, then New York public schools would be turning out geniuses. In 2007-08, NY spent $17,000 per student -- 67% higher than the national average. New York public schools top nation in per-student spending - USATODAY.com

    Instead, NY students rate 46th in SAT scores. State SAT scores and $ spent per student ranking « Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff)

    Instead, NY City students have a less than 50% graduation rate. Study shows New York City has one of the nation's sorriest graduation rates

    Instead, in 2006, New York State's high school graduation rate is the third lowest in the nation. 43%. New York's high school graduation rate is far below the national average - April 19, 2006

    Their teachers? Second highest paying teacher positions in the U.S. Teacher Salaries by State

    The comparison you keep harping on means absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We're doing all of that.
    Proof???

    Money isn't the only answer, Catawba. If that were true, then New York public schools would be turning out geniuses. In 2007-08, NY spent $17,000 per student -- 67% higher than the national average. New York public schools top nation in per-student spending - USATODAY.com

    Instead, NY students rate 46th in SAT scores. State SAT scores and $ spent per student ranking « Xenophilia (True Strange Stuff)

    Instead, NY City students have a less than 50% graduation rate. Study shows New York City has one of the nation's sorriest graduation rates

    Instead, in 2006, New York State's high school graduation rate is the third lowest in the nation. 43%. New York's high school graduation rate is far below the national average - April 19, 2006

    Their teachers? Second highest paying teacher positions in the U.S. Teacher Salaries by State

    The comparison you keep harping on means absolutely nothing.
    Do you know nothing of the reasons for the lower scores in poputations with higher perencentage of special needs kids? If you want to improve test scores in those locations you have to address the socio-economic causes of them. You are correct that more money alone is not the answer, however more money to hire more teachers, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids would improve things greatly!

    Where is your proof that cutting education funding will result in improved performance?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you know nothing of the reasons for the lower scores in poputations with higher perencentage of special needs kids? If you want to improve test scores in those locations you have to address the socio-economic causes of them. You are correct that more money alone is not the answer, however more money to hire more teachers, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids would improve things greatly!
    Money is a small part of the problem. There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students. NY is my proof. Are you saying the whole state of New York is over-weighted in special needs kids? Kids with socio-economic problems? Even if that were true, which it is not, it is still evidence that money alone will not solve that problem.

    Every school district in Illinois has separate classes for special needs kids. I don't know what you're talking about.

    Where is your proof that cutting education funding will result in improved performance?
    On the contrary. Where did I say that cutting education funding will result in improved performance??

    Ya' know, when you don't have anything worthwhile to say, Catawba, you don't have to post.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Money is a small part of the problem. There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students. NY is my proof. Are you saying the whole state of New York is over-weighted in special needs kids? Kids with socio-economic problems? Even if that were true, which it is not, it is still evidence that money alone will not solve that problem.

    Every school district in Illinois has separate classes for special needs kids. I don't know what you're talking about.


    On the contrary. Where did I say that cutting education funding will result in improved performance??

    Ya' know, when you don't have anything worthwhile to say, Catawba, you don't have to post.
    WRONG. There are so many studies on this and it is an accepted fact in the education community. Illinois has always been known as one of the worse states for equal and appropriate funding of its schools. Chicago has been known as a horrible place for equal education funding and racial/economic disparities in education. You should know this. Here's one study that sums it up very well.

    In 27 of the 49 states studied, the highest-poverty school districts receive fewer resources than the lowest-poverty districts. Across the country, $907 less is spent per student in the highest-poverty districts than in the most affluent districts.
    While the biggest gaps earn the most attention, even small gaps add up to serious inequalities. Take Colorado, for example. Its gap is only $101 per student,one of the smaller gaps in the country. A student in a high-poverty district in Colorado has $101 less spent on him or her than a student in a lowpoverty district in Colorado. That might not seem as though it would mean much, but for a classroom of 25 students it means $2,525, which could pay for a classroom library of 250 books. For a standard elementary school of 400, this translates into $40,400, which would come close to paying for a reading specialist or an additional teacher. For a standard high school of 1,500, it is a difference of $151,500, which could pay for three literacy coaches and additional library books.
    The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court declared that Massachusetts had failed its constitutional duty “to provide education in the public schools for the children there enrolled, whether they be rich or poor and without regard to the fiscal capacity of the community or district in which such children live”.[...] Days later, after a special session of the legislature, the governor signed the Education Reform Act of 1993, which changed the way schools are funded in Massachusetts. During the following 10 years, from 1993 to 2003, state education funding increased by 12 percent a year, with a total price tag of about $30.8 billion. The additional state money was targeted to schools attended by poor students and went for tutoring programs, additional training for teachers, smaller classes, and technology.[...]This year’s results on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) demonstrated the effect of such focused efforts. Fourth-graders and eighth-graders in Massachusetts outperformed students in every other state in both reading and math. To give a sense of the improvement, in 1992, just 23 percent of Massachusetts’s fourth-graders were proficient in NAEP’s math standards; in 2005, 49 percent were proficient.
    Let me repeat that. After increased funding and appropriate use of such funding:

    In 1992, just 23 percent of Massachusetts’s fourth-graders were proficient in NAEP’s math standards; in 2005, 49 percent were proficient.
    In other words, equal funding and appropriate use = better education.

    Massachusetts is well known for improving low-income education with more funding + appropriate use of funding with tenured teachers in unions.

    http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf

    I suggest you read the whole thing.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And I when will I see the collective effort by the government to boycott business.
    See Post #1

    Remember when they are not being paid by the government they are not part of the government. So what they do after or before work does not represent the will of the government but that of their own
    Well they arent ultimately being paid by government.......they are being paid by the taxpayer......the very taxpayers they are trying to inflict pain upon for not toting their political line.


    While you may argue it is their "right" to do so..........

    .........how do We The Taxpaying People return the favor.....and boycott UNION THUG SERVICES INC.?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    See Post #1



    Well they arent ultimately being paid by government.......they are being paid by the taxpayer......the very taxpayers they are trying to inflict pain upon for not toting their political line.


    While you may argue it is their "right" to do so..........

    .........how do We The Taxpaying People return the favor.....and boycott UNION THUG SERVICES INC.?
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    Post 1 shows individuals who are part of a union making a decision to boycott some business, I didnt not see where the Wisconsin governnent decided to boycott those business`s. Perhaps you can show me where the Wisconsin goverment made the decision to boycott those business`s it would be appreciated.

    As for boycotting union services, I do that everyday. I am not part of a union and have no current intention on doing so. You I expect are doing the same
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion, even though you don't know what you are talking about.

    The US is #1, by far, the top spender on military as a percentage of GDP:
    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And the US, just as I said before, is 37th in spending on education as a percentage of GDP:
    Education spending (% of GDP) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster


    And you and The Kenyan Tyrant think were not spending enough.........

    .......and the solution is to give more money to subprime Union slob teachers.

    We have tried that for the last 50 years, and today our public schools produce functional illiterates.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    See Post #1
    In which you claimed Boycotts are similar to mobster tactics?

    And policemen, firemen, public utility workers, and TEACHERS are "piss poor Americans?"

    Yeah, we saw it.



    Well they arent ultimately being paid by government.......they are being paid by the taxpayer......the very taxpayers they are trying to inflict pain upon for not toting their political line.
    More evidence of Fox News misinformation working on their viewing audience.


    While you may argue it is their "right" to do so..........

    .........how do We The Taxpaying People return the favor.....and boycott UNION THUG SERVICES INC.?
    Promise?

    Home school your kids.

    Don't drive on public roads.

    And don't bother the police with complaints.
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