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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    see, you do know what matters; because you grade defense spending in raw dollars while education in percent of GDP.
    Thanks for your opinion, even though you don't know what you are talking about.

    The US is #1, by far, the top spender on military as a percentage of GDP:
    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And the US, just as I said before, is 37th in spending on education as a percentage of GDP:
    Education spending (% of GDP) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    I am not from the US so I don't know if things are different over there but can it really be true that employees of the US State become somehow "Borg'd" into the US State and their personal earnings belong to the US State, even after they have been paid to the private individual? I don't get it? I've never been employed by a government department but I have worked in private companies where my "Union Dues" were paid directly from my pay packet by the private company. Does that mean that in the US, a company that does this is paying the Unions?
    Uh, no. I can't imagine where you got that idea, but it's utterly false.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion, even though you don't know what you are talking about.

    The US is #1, by far, the top spender on military as a percentage of GDP:
    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    looks like someone can't read their own chart.

    according to your source, for example, America spends 4.3% of her GDP on defense. Georgia, for another example, spends 8.5%. Jordan spends 5.9%, Chad spends 6.6%... hilariously, this report buys China's claim to only spend 2% (but they actually spend closer to 10)... Saudi Arabia spends 8.2%.....

    And the US, just as I said before, is 37th in spending on education as a percentage of GDP:
    yes, but i don't care about a percent of GDP because that doesn't tell us anything. simply because something is or is not expensive doesn't make it a larger or smaller priority. again, i want my children to eat. if i had to downgrade my living quarters to feed them, i would do so. the fact that i currently spend more in rent than i do in food does not change that order of priorities.

    the logic that claims we must spend more or less as a percent of GDP rather than more or less in terms of raw dollars to effect our quality of education is insane; such an argument would have us believe that, if we woke up tomorrow and our entire healthcare sector (1/6th of our economy) were gone, that the quality of our education would improve as a result.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Since you brought it up and just for clarification... You're not a lawyer.

    even though others have edified you about this you persist in your "make a wish come true" denial

    amusing.



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you had taken the time to read the context of the point made you would have known that the discussion was about US priorities. The point was made that education was a much lower priority than military spending by showing that we are 6 times above the #1 spot in military spending as a percentage of GDP, and 37th in education spending as a percentage of GDP.

    Now, if you look at results from almost as much spending as the rest of the world combined on our military, many in this country still seemed to be frigthened of countries with no military capabilities. As compared to the results of our education spending as a % of GDP, 37th behind other countries, we still manage 9th place in academic achievement. So if you compare money spent as a percentage of GDP with the results, Education funding is a far better value for the tax dollar than the money overspent on the military, and optional wars.



    It may come as a shock to you but we kept the country safe with less than half what we spend on the military and optional wars today. If we are not educated, we may think there is a boogyman out to get us and commit to a war where there is no threat and spend ourselves into bankruptsy. Good grief.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh, no. I can't imagine where you got that idea, but it's utterly false.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    looks like someone can't read their own chart. according to your source, for example, America spends 4.3% of her GDP on defense. Georgia, for another example, spends 8.5%. Jordan spends 5.9%, Chad spends 6.6%... hilariously, this report buys China's claim to only spend 2% (but they actually spend closer to 10)... Saudi Arabia spends 8.2%.....
    I stand corrected it appears, there are 6 small countries I missed that spend a higher percentage of GDP on military than the US. So that puts us #6 in military spending as % of GDP and we are still #37 in education spending as % of GDP.





    yes, but i don't care about a percent of GDP because that doesn't tell us anything.
    It shows the priority for the US and explains why we have dropped in academic achievement compared to the rest of the world. You get what you pay for.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I stand corrected it appears, there are 6 small countries I missed that spend a higher percentage of GDP on military than the US. So that puts us #6 in military spending as % of GDP and we are still #37 in education spending as % of GDP.







    It shows the priority for the US and explains why we have dropped in academic achievement compared to the rest of the world. You get what you pay for.

    You both realize that the while they spend more percentage-wise than the US, when that percentage is translated into actual $$$, the US far outspends everyone else
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and we became the greatest nation in the world without a progressive income tax with confiscatory top rates and without a death tax either
    But we never had a strong middle class until progressive taxes.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You both realize that the while they spend more percentage-wise than the US, when that percentage is translated into actual $$$, the US far outspends everyone else
    Yes, my point in this discussion has been to show the much higher priority in this country for military spending as compared to education.
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