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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why would I be upset with boycotts I endorse, and why would I be ok with boycotts I oppose?

    You act as though all boycotts are the same and have no fact-dependent circumstantial merits or flaws.
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    That's the game, though. The side that likes whatever is said, whatever it that's being said, claims free speech; while the side that opposes cites some violation of rights.

    If there's some rule that we're all supposed to sit around and let people say just whatever they want without saying what's on our mind ourselves, I'm not aware of it.

    I may find certain boycotts objectionable over the reasons why they are enacting them ( religious group boycotting Volvo over advertising in a gay magazine for instance), but I do not get outrage by the religous thuggery threatening private business if they dont follow what the group says. It would be and is that religous groups right to decide which business will benifit from their patronage or not. Just as it would be the union members right to support business that they want to.


    It is the hypocrisy of the OP that I am objecting to.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That #37 is as a percentage of our GDP. That is a totally different thing and should be no surprise to anyone.
    If you had taken the time to read the context of the point made you would have known that the discussion was about US priorities. The point was made that education was a much lower priority than military spending by showing that we are 6 times above the #1 spot in military spending as a percentage of GDP, and 37th in education spending as a percentage of GDP.

    Now, if you look at results from almost as much spending as the rest of the world combined on our military, many in this country still seemed to be frigthened of countries with no military capabilities. As compared to the results of our education spending as a % of GDP, 37th behind other countries, we still manage 9th place in academic achievement. So if you compare money spent as a percentage of GDP with the results, Education funding is a far better value for the tax dollar than the money overspent on the military, and optional wars.

    It comes as a shock to you that we spend a far greater amount of our GDP to keep our country safe than we do on education? You are an idealistic dreamer. If our country isn't safe, we don't need no edgamakation. Good grief.
    It may come as a shock to you but we kept the country safe with less than half what we spend on the military and optional wars today. If we are not educated, we may think there is a boogyman out to get us and commit to a war where there is no threat and spend ourselves into bankruptsy. Good grief.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I think the overall point is that the OP tried to spin a boycott as if it were some type of mobster violent action. Deciding what products/services are for you is hardly violent. It's free speech.
    Its government organizing against the Taxpayer.........and a testament to why Public Sector Unions should have never been.


    My initial point was the free speech only suits the far-rights and Tea Partiers when it's their speech, otherwise it's something else...

    And before you jump those who criticize Tea Bag speech and signs... My criticisms are limited to the hyperbolic, racist, and misspelled signs.
    What about the Free Speech of Employers and Business Owners?

    ........funny how their free speech results in a state organized boycott against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Its government organizing against the Taxpayer.........and a testament to why Public Sector Unions should have never been.




    What about the Free Speech of Employers and Business Owners?

    ........funny how their free speech results in a state organized boycott against them.
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    It is not the government

    It is private citizens making the decision
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is not the government
    So its not the government.....just everyone who represents the government in the Public Work force.

    It is private citizens making the decision
    .....who just all happen to be paid by the government.....to boycott businesses that dont abide by THE MOB's demands.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    So its not the government.....just everyone who represents the government in the Public Work force.



    .....who just all happen to be paid by the government.....to boycott businesses that dont abide by THE MOB's demands.
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    Does what ever a member of the military do when off duty represent the government?

    Why not ask the service members who didnt buy GM because it was bailouted out by the government were they representing the government and boycotting the government at the same time?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Does what ever a member of the military do when off duty represent the government?
    Why is the military organizing a boycott against the taxpayer?

    Why not ask the service members who didnt buy GM because it was bailouted out by the government were they representing the government and boycotting the government at the same time?
    I will.....as soon as see a collective effort put forth by the military to boycott GM.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Why is the military organizing a boycott against the taxpayer?



    I will.....as soon as see a collective effort put forth by the military to boycott GM.
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    And I when will I see the collective effort by the government to boycott business.

    Remember when they are not being paid by the government they are not part of the government. So what they do after or before work does not represent the will of the government but that of their own
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And I when will I see the collective effort by the government to boycott business.

    Remember when they are not being paid by the government they are not part of the government. So what they do after or before work does not represent the will of the government but that of their own
    I am not from the US so I don't know if things are different over there but can it really be true that employees of the US State become somehow "Borg'd" into the US State and their personal earnings belong to the US State, even after they have been paid to the private individual? I don't get it? I've never been employed by a government department but I have worked in private companies where my "Union Dues" were paid directly from my pay packet by the private company. Does that mean that in the US, a company that does this is paying the Unions?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you are talking about what is a priority, which was my point, it is the most useful measurement.
    not really. my children eating healthy food is a priority for me, and so we spend extra money making sure we buy better stuff. but once you get to a certain point you reach saturation. My child will recieve the same high level of nutrition if i spend $150 on him per month for food as if I were to decide to spend $300; and so spending the $300 doesn't mean i have "health food" as a higher priority - it means i'm wasteful.

    so, again, i ask; where are we in raw dollars? are we spending significantly more per child than nations that are spanking us when it comes to quality?

    We are #1 in military spending, in fact 6 times ahead of the #1 spot in military spending, yet 37th in education spending. You get what you pay for.
    see, you do know what matters; because you grade defense spending in raw dollars while education in percent of GDP.

    I'm willing to give up my tax cut if the wealthy give up theirs to increase our revenues, how about you?
    nope. i'd rather the US have a better economy than some cheap satisfaction that i "got" the rich.

    Is it country first, or personal greed first? That is the question.
    country. but the question is easily turned around; are you willing to see the US suffer economically for higher wealth transfer programs?
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