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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
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    Thats not what I said, or what I asked ... you deflect rather then answer, so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs .. thats what was asked of you.




    Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
    Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either. Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.



    Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??



    I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.



    Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.



    We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.
    So in your opinion what is going to happen to help us get out of this? We need jobs big business is not going to build here, why should they?Where are the jobs going to come from? How do we save our economy? Do you really think that cutting more jobs is the answer, the only thing cutting more jobs does is it delays the inevitable economic slide we are in

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    So in your opinion what is going to happen to help us get out of this? We need jobs big business is not going to build here, why should they?Where are the jobs going to come from? How do we save our economy? Do you really think that cutting more jobs is the answer, the only thing cutting more jobs does is it delays the inevitable economic slide we are in
    Are you saying you DONT believe the private sector is going to be THE source and creation for sustained economic growth?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs ..
    The same ones that were creating them before, and new companies that recognize the need to make products that don't depend on fossil fuels. We have a whole new infrastructure to build as well to replace the one that is now dependent on oil. That is going to require lots of jobs here in this country, not overseas.

    Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
    Taxes were cut from 80% to 28% and then raised back up to 38%. That still left 42% of the tax cuts from 1981 in place. We need to cut military spending again. Bush doubled it and started two wars. While I never cared for Clinton, he was the first president since the 1981 tax cuts (they all used SS to offset debt) to have a budget surplus.

    Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either.
    Right, because the rich were still getting their 42% tax break from 1981.

    Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.
    It only rose for the rich. The middle class standard of living has declined, and the national debt grew because we no longer had enough revenues to pay the bills. Yes, spending cut have to be made, but spending cuts will not be enough and they will no address the inequality created by the tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??
    Those that want to leave can leave. My guess is no more will leave than have withdrawn their taxable income already. The middle class survived from 1944 to 1981 with a progressive tax system much better than we have since it was slashed.

    I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.
    Without education, there will be no one smart enough to create businesses in the future that can compete with the superior education provided in other countries. We have already fallen to the #9 spot in education.

    Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.
    I have researched it as well. We have the most expensive system and other systems are rated higher in serving everyone. Its only the best if you are rich. 1 in 7 Americans are now poor.

    We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.
    What you failed to notice is that half the country has been suffering for years, while the rich got richer.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Are you saying you DONT believe the private sector is going to be THE source and creation for sustained economic growth?
    Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right? What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?

    Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Walmart is the largest employer in the USA, MacDonalds is number 2, Does Walmart manufacture some thing? MacDonalds sells fast food right?
    Actually, the largest employer in the United States is.......drum roll........GOVERNMENT. Employing 1 out of 6 American Workers......good thing its not Socialism.

    What incentive does private business have to invest in the USA?
    Perhaps a better question.......

    Can you name any Democrat Policy in the history of the world, that has encouraged US Businesses to remain in this country?

    Unless we "the government" offer an incentive for businesses to invest in America why would they, if the last 10 years predict the future what do you think is going to happen that going to change the economic slide we are in right now?
    Clearly the Democrats making this country THE MOST BUSINESS UNFRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.....isnt the "incentive" we were hoping for.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    Most of government expenditures is to protect the wealth of the rich.


    No one is suggesting tax hikes. We are talking about discontinuing the tax cuts to the wealthy, so that the middle class can remain middle class without further sliding into the poor class. We had no problems with job creation when we had a progressive tax system.



    By discontinuing the temporary tax cuts to the rich along with spending cuts, we begin to rebuild the middle class and pay down our national debt.

    more mindless horsepoop- most of the government expenditures are not designed to protect the wealth of the rich and you have provided no proof for that load of manure

    you don't increase the middle class by taxing the rich

    the income tax was supposed to be temporary



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post

    Interesting perspective.

    Interesting but mindless

    the parasite mentality comes up with all sorts of arguments as to why the government should take more of SOMEONE else's money



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think that is a valid point. I think we should all endeavor to buy locally. Companies here also have a hard time competing with companies who's countries provide national healthcare. And we need to put more priortity on education and job training, so we have the best trained workforce in the world.
    Right........unless those local companies are run by Republicans........like in Wisconsin.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    The following letter is being sent out from Wisconsin Unions/THE MOB to Wisconsin Business Owners.......



    Taking "Put the money in the bag.....or were gonna shut you down" to a whole new level.

    This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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    No, it's called free speech.

    It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.

    They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No, it's called free speech.

    It's in the First Amendment. You should check it out.

    They get to CHOOSE who they do business with.
    An individual choosing who they do business with is fine.

    An individual trying to systematically put someone out of business by getting others to not do business with someone, because they don't like their politics, is not fine.

    It's sad you are unable to comprehend the difference.

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