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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    there are many good arguments for tax cuts-especially for those who pay far more of the tax burden than their share of the income or their use of the government services those taxes pay for
    Most of government expenditures is to protect the wealth of the rich.
    but what are the arguments for tax hikes? do they create more jobs? certainly no evidence of that
    No one is suggesting tax hikes. We are talking about discontinuing the tax cuts to the wealthy, so that the middle class can remain middle class without further sliding into the poor class. We had no problems with job creation when we had a progressive tax system.

    so tell me-what good things come from raising taxes on those who already pay much of the taxes?
    By discontinuing the temporary tax cuts to the rich along with spending cuts, we begin to rebuild the middle class and pay down our national debt.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax hikes need to be applied to EVERYONE-especially those who are in that 47% that pay no income tax

    we who pay more of the tax bill than the other 95% of the country full well understand the costs of government

    its time to apply that lesson to the majority that has supported both parties' reckless spending
    Everyone would have to pay more, yes. But perhaps if we all had to bear the brunt of our bloated government, we'd be more willing to get on the government about its spending. If it's just zeros added to some deficit none of us really see or feel the effect from, then we're not really going to be inclined to do anything about it.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    It was not just the greed of the rich we all share in the lost jobs, every time we purchased foreign made goods or used foreign services we put a nail in our economic future, the life of opportunity we had is gone for all but a very few. If I am wrong tell me why any company would want to start up a business in the USA when they can start up a business in China/ Viet Nam or some other low labor cost country and then sell it to the USA
    I think that is a valid point. I think we should all endeavor to buy locally. Companies here also have a hard time competing with companies who's countries provide national healthcare. And we need to put more priortity on education and job training, so we have the best trained workforce in the world.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    Most of government expenditures is to protect the wealth of the rich.


    No one is suggesting tax hikes. We are talking about discontinuing the tax cuts to the wealthy, so that the middle class can remain middle class without further sliding into the poor class. We had no problems with job creation when we had a progressive tax system.



    By discontinuing the temporary tax cuts to the rich along with spending cuts, we begin to rebuild the middle class and pay down our national debt.
    The idea of the tax cuts was to stimulate economic growth, the tax cuts worked China is doing great so is India. Their are still many third world countries that can use the economic stimulus that our tax dollars will provide so lets leave the tax cuts in place

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    The idea of the tax cuts was to stimulate economic growth, the tax cuts worked China is doing great so is India. Their are still many third world countries that can use the economic stimulus that our tax dollars will provide so lets leave the tax cuts in place
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post

    The idea of the tax cuts was to stimulate economic growth, the tax cuts worked China is doing great so is India. Their are still many third world countries that can use the economic stimulus that our tax dollars will provide so lets leave the tax cuts in place
    LOL! Well, I knew the jobs weren't created here!
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    =Catawba;1059355787]Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.
    Okay if thats what you think then tell me who is going to create the jobs we need ?? Are you ? Are the 40 percent that pay no federal income taxes? Just tell me who in your opinion, who is going to create those jobs ?? The only one left is the government .. is that what you are preaching for?



    We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?
    It worked pretty damn well for nearly 20, then we started shipping jobs out of this country. you need to face the facts, we have lost our industrial jobs, those were the job that kept our middle class going. We are becoming a service oriented country, and no amount of education, is going to make service jobs pay well. Health care, hmmm you want it here, and nearly every country that has it, is trying to get out from under it ... doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

    We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.
    I said nothing about taxes, I said we "waged" ourselves out of the global marketplace.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Okay … if thats what you think … then tell me who is going to create the jobs we need ?? Are you ?
    Did corporations stop producing jobs when we had a progressive tax system? Please provide proof of this.


    It worked pretty damn well for nearly 20,
    Yes, 20 years of deficit spending because we didn't have enough money to pay our bills, until Clinton raised taxes slightly. Then Bush lowered them again and we've had deficit spending for another ten years. All the while, the standard of the middle class declined. The rich did get richer but that's as far as the benefit was felt.


    then we started shipping jobs out of this country. you need to face the facts, we have lost our industrial jobs, those were the job that kept our middle class going.
    Yes, greed, don't you love it? We give them tax breaks and they turn their backs on us. I say we break them lose. Why should we continue to support those that take jobs overseas?


    We are becoming a service oriented country, and no amount of education, is going to make service jobs pay well.
    Without education, we aren't going anywhere. We just continue our decline.

    Health care, hmmm you want it here, and nearly every country that has it, is trying to get out from under it ... doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
    Try reading learning about health care in other countries from sources other than Fox and you get an entirely different picture. We have the most expensive health care system in the world and get poorer results for all our people.



    I said nothing about taxes, I said we "waged" ourselves out of the global marketplace.
    Yes, I know that is your opinion. However, many of us feel we do not need to lower workers wages and living conditions to those of dictator run countries to compete.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

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    It was you saying I have been incessantly whining when all I did was point out facts of the system. You went and drama queened your way in with the childish penis jokes while sitting on your high horse which was on your soap box.
    OH...I get it...you and your thankyou buddy along with multiple other folk here DONT post regularly about 'rich' folk...and you and your little thank you buddy DIDNT bring up the evil rich people. That was me...right?

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    Catawba;1059355872]Did corporations stop producing jobs when we had a progressive tax system? Please provide proof of this.
    Thats not what I said, or what I asked ... you deflect rather then answer, so tell me who is it that is going to create the jobs .. thats what was asked of you.

    Yes, 20 years of deficit spending because we didn't have enough money to pay our bills, until Clinton raised taxes slightly. Then Bush lowered them again and we've had deficit spending for another ten years. All the while, the standard of the middle class declined. The rich did get richer but that's as far as the benefit was felt.
    Raised taxes slightly? It was the largest tax increase ever in our country. He cut defense spending drastically, raided SS to help balance his budget, and with all that .. still the debt ran up to the tune of 1.5 trillion dollars.
    Now I'll give you that was better then any recent president. But 1.5 trillion more in debt is nothing to sneeze at either. Face the facts, revenue rose nearly every year since 1980, and spending rose even more. It's not a taxation problem … it's a spending problem.

    Yes, greed, don't you love it? We give them tax breaks and they turn their backs on us. I say we break them lose. Why should we continue to support those that take jobs overseas?
    Go ahead cut them loose, sounds like a great plan, right now the top 1% pays 28% of all taxes paid, now once we cut them loose...... who is going to make up that 680 billion they pay in taxes??

    Without education, we aren't going anywhere. We just continue our decline.
    I”m not against education, but it doesn't matter how well educated you are, if there are no jobs for that great education to go to.

    Try reading learning about health care in other countries from sources other than Fox and you get an entirely different picture. We have the most expensive health care system in the world and get poorer results for all our people.
    Get off your idiotic high horse, I have researched it, and it's breaking more countries then it's not. While our costs are too high, and need fixing, we still have great doctors, hospitals and technology and the people in hospitals receive excellent care. I certainly don't see any of our people leaving this country for health care.

    Yes, I know that is your opinion. However, many of us feel we do not need to lower workers wages and living conditions to those of dictator run countries to compete.
    We all know your opinion as well, and many of us feel that to get out of this everyone is going to have to suffer some.

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