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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...you know...debating someone that incessantly whines about successful people...well...it gets a little wearisome. Like I said...stop whining about people that are more successful than you and you wont come across as being envious of people that got something you are obviously lacking.
    Yeah, I get tired of debating intellectually dishonest folk. So it seems like both of us are screwed.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Haha, I've recently toyed with the idea of pissing off China and putting up tarrifs. But at the same accord, we are responsible too for this because our consuming habits also promote this sort of behavior. There was a time when a business was concerned with their employees. They would do everything in their power, including taking pay cuts or short term losses of profit, to keep people hired on and things running. That commitment and resolve is gone, it's now all Harvard Business types who look only at the bottom line. When the worker becomes nothing more than a line item in a spreadsheet. Their goal is to maximize profit, and that's it. And if they can look more profitable by laying off a bunch of people, then so be it. It would be hard to get that resolve back, but we need to understand as well our roll in the entire system and begin to consume in intelligent and researched manners.
    -chuckles= We better pay our debt off to them first.

    That works to ways too, I've seen factories where the workers were shown the company was having troubles for-go raises that year. Back when I was growing up, people would take a job and stay there their entire life.

    Sad to say we live in different times, companies don't value employee's and employee's don't value the company they work for, and will leave at any given time to make more money. I don't think we will ever see those days again.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I get tired of debating intellectually dishonest folk. So it seems like both of us are screwed.
    Ooooooo! Zing! What has been intellectually dishonest? Pointing out yours and others incessant whining about 'the rich'? That may sting...but its straight up.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    We are losing our middle class, because we are losing our middle class jobs. I agree we are losing our middle class, the gap between rich and poor is widening.... But if you think for one minute, that those earning below 100.000 a year, is going to help to build the jobs in this country, you are nuts. Like it or not, it's the wealthy and only them, that can create jobs. Now you might no like that, but again, it's just the facts.
    Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.

    What we need to be doing is trying to create an atmosphere that makes it economically attractive for corporations and businesses to want to come here and prosper.
    We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?


    You don't have to like the fact that basically we have waged ourselves out of the global marketplace, (wages including benefits) Until we can figure out how to do that, nothing is going to change.
    We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I don't think we will ever see those days again.
    Unfortunately I don't think so either. It would take a great reversal of greed to get back to that point.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.



    We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?




    We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.
    there are many good arguments for tax cuts-especially for those who pay far more of the tax burden than their share of the income or their use of the government services those taxes pay for

    but what are the arguments for tax hikes? do they create more jobs? certainly no evidence of that

    do they deter government growth--Of course not, tax hikes on the rich merely are used as an excuse by the left for MORE spending to buy the votes of those who dont pay enough taxes and that group continues to vote for big spenders seduced by the lie that the rich will pay for it

    so tell me-what good things come from raising taxes on those who already pay much of the taxes?



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ooooooo! Zing! What has been intellectually dishonest? Pointing out yours and others incessant whining about 'the rich'? That may sting...but its straight up.
    It was you saying I have been incessantly whining when all I did was point out facts of the system. You went and drama queened your way in with the childish penis jokes while sitting on your high horse which was on your soap box.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do they deter government growth--Of course not, tax hikes on the rich merely are used as an excuse by the left for MORE spending to buy the votes of those who dont pay enough taxes and that group continues to vote for big spenders seduced by the lie that the rich will pay for it
    This is part of the big problem. But I don't subscribe to the left/right thing on the big spending front. Both parties spend big, both parties increase the deficit. It's not like we have a party of small, responsible, controlled government anymore. One big thing is that we do need to start getting our spending under control. And that has to come in forms of cuts and tax hikes. We gotta pay for what we have, and we're not going to cut everything so what we don't cut we have to fund.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is part of the big problem. But I don't subscribe to the left/right thing on the big spending front. Both parties spend big, both parties increase the deficit. It's not like we have a party of small, responsible, controlled government anymore. One big thing is that we do need to start getting our spending under control. And that has to come in forms of cuts and tax hikes. We gotta pay for what we have, and we're not going to cut everything so what we don't cut we have to fund.
    tax hikes need to be applied to EVERYONE-especially those who are in that 47% that pay no income tax

    we who pay more of the tax bill than the other 95% of the country full well understand the costs of government

    its time to apply that lesson to the majority that has supported both parties' reckless spending



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not the facts, it is your interpretation of the facts. That was not a problem with the tax rates under our socialist parents and their progressive tax rates. If the tax cuts had actually produced more jobs, you would have a point. But history tells us that trickle down theory was a failure in practice.



    We've tried that for 30 years and it ain't working. How about we make education and skills training a priority in this country so they have the best workforce in the world, and provide national healthcare so corporations don't have compete with companies in countries where the government provides the healthcare?




    We haven't, the effective tax rate is as low or lower than most of the rest of the world. Greed is what led those we gave the tax breaks to desert those that support them.
    It was not just the greed of the rich we all share in the lost jobs, every time we purchased foreign made goods or used foreign services we put a nail in our economic future, the life of opportunity we had is gone for all but a very few. If I am wrong tell me why any company would want to start up a business in the USA when they can start up a business in China/ Viet Nam or some other low labor cost country and then sell it to the USA

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