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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I've provided cold hard facts from three different credible sources. All I've seen from you is opinion unsubstantiated in any way.
    You've shown level of debt, you've shown a graph of unemployment during a recession, in what way does that prove that "Reaganomics" are the cause?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You've shown level of debt, you've shown a graph of unemployment during a recession, in what way does that prove that "Reaganomics" are the cause?
    Deregulation (Reagaomics concept) of Wall street brought about the biggest recession since the Great depression which has resulted in the jobless data I provided.

    Our record of large debt began exactly in 1981 when Reaganomics called for decreasing our revenue by slashing the tax rates for the most wealthy. This is vividly documented in the statistics I provided.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The house passed a bill that eliminated the tax cuts to the wealthy. Obama has proposed cutting the taxes to the wealthy in his 2012 budget. Are you suggesting the GOP is now ready to accept this?

    So your position is that the middle class is just lazy. That is the reason that more and more of them are sliding into poverty, even the ones that still have full-time jobs? Where are the jobs that people can pull themselves out of poverty with? Until you have a system that allows the majority of people to climb the ladder together, you are going to have to have social programs to prevent a hundred million people in the street ready to kill you for a loaf of bread. 30 years of Reaganomics has provided a crashed economy with few jobs and increased welfare.
    Middle class? Nah...I think most of the middle class is still out there busting their hump. They arent risk-takers...they don't start businesses...but they do work. No...I think the lower income folks are the ones that don't prepare themselves as teens, that look for hand-outs not hand-ups, and that have a pocketful of excuses why its everyone else's fault but their own why they cant succeed. MANY are truly needy...but many more are weak...lazy...were raised by weak and lazy people or by parents that spoiled them, and continue to expect others to take care of them. You bet.

    MILLIONS of illegals come here and succeed. You CONTINUE to ignore that reality. I know, I know...it sucks because it totally destroys your argument. But there it is.

    And yes...I am bothered that both the corporations and the unions have pretty much successfully sold our industrial base down the river. Blame it on corporations but also blame it on unions that priced the American worker out of the market.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Deregulation (Reagaomics concept) of Wall street brought about the biggest recession since the Great depression which has resulted in the jobless data I provided.
    Most every credible economist does not lay the blame on the collapse of the housing market, squarely on the lap of Wall street.
    Love your selective blame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Our record of large debt began exactly in 1981 when Reaganomics called for decreasing our revenue by slashing the tax rates for the most wealthy. This is vividly documented in the statistics I provided.
    Let's explore the 4 pillars of the plan though.

    Reaganomics (a portmanteau of Reagan and economics attributed to Paul Harvey[1]) refers to the economic policies promoted by the U.S. President Ronald Reagan during the 1980s. The four pillars of Reagan's economic policy were to:[2]

    1. Reduce Government spending.
    2. Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax.
    3. Reduce Government regulation.
    4. Control the money supply to reduce inflation.

    In his stated intention to increase defense spending while lowering taxes, Reagan's approach was a departure from his immediate predecessors. Reagan enacted lower marginal tax rates in conjunction with simplified income tax codes and continued deregulation.
    Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I highlighted both 1 and 4 to show that those criteria were never met, particularly by those in Congress, so to say that "Reaganomics" caused all this would be dishonest or a sign of ignorance.

    Which is it?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Didn't The Messiah say that everyone was going to have to make sacrifices?
    well, yeah... but by 'everybody' he didn't mean, you know... everybody. public sector unions are his favorite, and the other kids will just have to deal.

    and how do we end up "dealing"? we end up dealing with lower wages for fewer jobs.

    Catawba; it looks like the only people "waiting for the trickle down" are those unfortunate enough to live in a state that encourages unionization.

    ...Among America’s 22 right-to-work states (including Florida, Georgia, and Texas), non-farm private-sector employment grew 3.7 percent from 1999 to 2009, while it shrank 2.8 percent among America’s 28 forced-unionism states (e.g. California, Illinois, and New York).

    During those ten years, real personal income rose 28.3 percent in right-to-work states and sank 14.7 percent in forced-unionism states.

    In 2009, cost-of-living-adjusted, per-capita, disposable personal income was $35,543 in right-to-work states versus $33,389 in forced-unionism states. Americans in right-to-work states enjoyed more freedom — and a $2,154 premium...

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Middle class? Nah...I think most of the middle class is still out there busting their hump. They arent risk-takers...they don't start businesses...but they do work. No...I think the lower income folks are the ones that don't prepare themselves as teens, that look for hand-outs not hand-ups, and that have a pocketful of excuses why its everyone else's fault but their own why they cant succeed. MANY are truly needy...but many more are weak...lazy...were raised by weak and lazy people or by parents that spoiled them, and continue to expect others to take care of them. You bet.

    MILLIONS of illegals come here and succeed. You CONTINUE to ignore that reality. I know, I know...it sucks because it totally destroys your argument. But there it is.

    And yes...I am bothered that both the corporations and the unions have pretty much successfully sold our industrial base down the river. Blame it on corporations but also blame it on unions that priced the American worker out of the market.
    I hate to break this to you but in order for the middle class to compete with third world wages, leaves them with less than a living wage, which mean more slide from middle class to poor and have need of more need our safety net programs.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Most every credible economist does not lay the blame on the collapse of the housing market, squarely on the lap of Wall street.
    Love your selective blame.
    That's funny, every credible economist I've read says Reaganomics was a failure over the long term. And, the housing market collapse and the Wall Street corruption were both allowed to happen through inadequate regulation.

    Let's explore the 4 pillars of the plan though.

    Reaganomics (a portmanteau of Reagan and economics attributed to Paul Harvey[1]) refers to the economic policies promoted by the U.S. President Ronald Reagan during the 1980s. The four pillars of Reagan's economic policy were to:[2]

    1. Reduce Government spending.
    Never implemented in the last 30 years.

    2. Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax
    .

    (with the great majority going to those at the top)
    Yep that cost our country about 9.2 trillion dollars over the last 30 years.

    3. Reduce Government regulation.
    Yep, brought us Enron and the Wall Street fiasco, thanks!

    4. Control the money supply to reduce inflation.
    Nope, didn't happen.

    Reaganomics, as we have known it for the last 30 years under both parties has just been the cut in taxes for the rich and deregulation parts, which have failed miserably.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's funny, every credible economist I've read says Reaganomics was a failure over the long term. And, the housing market collapse and the Wall Street corruption were both allowed to happen through inadequate regulation.



    Never implemented in the last 30 years.

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    (with the great majority going to those at the top)
    Yep that cost our country about 9.2 trillion dollars over the last 30 years.



    Yep, brought us Enron and the Wall Street fiasco, thanks!



    Nope, didn't happen.

    Reaganomics, as we have known it for the last 30 years under both parties has just been the cut in taxes for the rich and deregulation parts, which have failed miserably.
    So basically you admit that 2 out of the 4 pillars of Reaganomics didn't happen but you say that Reaganomics has caused our current and past problems.
    You're contradicting yourself.

    You have also failed to note that Jimmy Carter started a lot of the deregulation, that carried it's way through Reagan's administration.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So basically you admit that 2 out of the 4 pillars of Reaganomics didn't happen but you say that Reaganomics has caused our current and past problems.
    You're contradicting yourself.

    You have also failed to note that Jimmy Carter started a lot of the deregulation, that carried it's way through Reagan's administration.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    for you AND buck: if you want public schools to go away, don't patronize them. aren't you willing to sacrifice a little for your beliefs? i sent my kids to catholic school, and i never once whined about paying twice. choices.
    You may be able to make that choice......I may be able to make that choice.......

    ......and to the millions of people who cant afford that choice....who would love to send their kids to Private Schools to get a good education......but who's only choice is to send their kids to Union ru(i)n Public Schools to nowhere.......

    ........well tough **** huh.
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