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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you have proof or are you on another, unsubstantiated, politically biased, diatribe again?

    Do you mean in addition to what I have already provided here from the 2010 Census:

    About 43.6 million people were poor last year in the United States.


    And here from BLS 2/5/10, Office of the Speaker:




    And here, from the U.S. National Debt Clock:

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you mean in addition to what I have already provided here from the 2010 Census:

    About 43.6 million people were poor last year in the United States.


    And here from BLS 2/5/10, Office of the Speaker:




    And here, from the U.S. National Debt Clock:

    That is not evidence that "Reagonomics" has done anything, it is just a graph of debt and jobs, alone.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is not evidence that "Reagonomics" has done anything, it is just a graph of debt and jobs, alone.
    Our 14.2 trillion dollar National debt and lack of jobs are my top priorities and where it has been shown that Reaganomics (trickle down theory and deregulation) have failed over the last 30 years.

    What are your top priorities?

    And let's see your evidence that these areas have improved since we began this experiment in 1981 of cutting tax rates for the most wealthy and deregulating Wall Street?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since 1981 our economy and the middle class have gone downhill, and you suggest going in the same direction. Brilliant plan!
    I suggest the government...democrats and republicans...stop spending money like crack addicts. And I suggest people in the country stop acting like whiny bitches and engage in their own lives. How much of that debt and deficit is going to paying for social programs? Why is that immigrants, legal and otherwise, can come here and succeed but so many natural born citizens cant?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Even though all this union bashing is understandable, I'm pretty sure that it will blow over. I mean it's not like anyone really cares about working people anyway, why should you? These people can boycott whatever they like, most of them will probably cave after a while anyway.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I suggest the government...democrats and republicans...stop spending money like crack addicts. And I suggest people in the country stop acting like whiny bitches and engage in their own lives. How much of that debt and deficit is going to paying for social programs? Why is that immigrants, legal and otherwise, can come here and succeed but so many natural born citizens cant?
    We all agree spending needs to be cut, we just don't agree on what needs to be cut. The bigger obstacle to a balanced budget is that only one side thinks we need discontinue the tax cuts to the most wealthy.

    Without both sides being addressed, spending and revenue, we will never get out of debt. And unless we commit to carrying out the reform of Wall Street, we face the same type of crash we've just been through again.

    If you want to eliminate social programs, jobs will be needed that pay a living wage, enough to provide for survival, health insurance, and retirement. Unless you know of a third option? More prisons, workhouses perhaps?
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We all agree spending needs to be cut, we just don't agree on what needs to be cut. The bigger obstacle to a balanced budget is that only one side thinks we need discontinue the tax cuts to the most wealthy.

    Without both sides being addressed, spending and revenue, we will never get out of debt. And unless we commit to carrying out the reform of Wall Street, we face the same type of crash we've just been through again.

    If you want to eliminate social programs, jobs will be needed that pay a living wage, enough to provide for survival, health insurance, and retirement. Unless you know of a third option? More prisons, workhouses perhaps?
    which side is it that wants to eliminate tax cuts for the rich? the dems who voted for it? Thats did nothing about anything except spend more money for the 4 years it controlled the house and senate? That voted for it originally, and voted for the Obama Tax cuts? Face it...democrat politicians give lip service to tax cuts and spending.

    For what it is worth (which is very little because my voice doesnt count for much)...Ive stated NUMEROUS times I am ALL FOR raising taxes to pay down the debt...PROVIDED they have legislated and mandated serious deficit cuts. I am all for across the board spending cuts. Nothing should be off limits. As for the social spending...I will point out yet again that for some reason many people come here with nothing and build businesses. The opportunities are there. Unfortunately...politicians have crippled too many willing participants by tossing them crumbs and pretending they care about the poor. But we can only blame the politicians so much. The majority of the burden falls to the people in this country that spend the majority of their time and effort whining about how unfair life is or bitching about other peoples success. You want success? Grow up...stand up...work hard. Its not that difficult.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Our 14.2 trillion dollar National debt and lack of jobs are my top priorities and where it has been shown that Reaganomics (trickle down theory and deregulation) have failed over the last 30 years.

    What are your top priorities?

    And let's see your evidence that these areas have improved since we began this experiment in 1981 of cutting tax rates for the most wealthy and deregulating Wall Street?
    You've yet to show proof, instead you're deflecting it to me.

    If you're so clearly assured that you're right, it should be of no consequence to prove it with hard facts.
    Tax rates and deficit spending are not the same thing.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    which side is it that wants to eliminate tax cuts for the rich? the dems who voted for it? Thats did nothing about anything except spend more money for the 4 years it controlled the house and senate? That voted for it originally, and voted for the Obama Tax cuts? Face it...democrat politicians give lip service to tax cuts and spending.

    For what it is worth (which is very little because my voice doesnt count for much)...Ive stated NUMEROUS times I am ALL FOR raising taxes to pay down the debt...PROVIDED they have legislated and mandated serious deficit cuts. I am all for across the board spending cuts. Nothing should be off limits. As for the social spending...I will point out yet again that for some reason many people come here with nothing and build businesses. The opportunities are there. Unfortunately...politicians have crippled too many willing participants by tossing them crumbs and pretending they care about the poor. But we can only blame the politicians so much. The majority of the burden falls to the people in this country that spend the majority of their time and effort whining about how unfair life is or bitching about other peoples success. You want success? Grow up...stand up...work hard. Its not that difficult.
    The house passed a bill that eliminated the tax cuts to the wealthy. Obama has proposed cutting the taxes to the wealthy in his 2012 budget. Are you suggesting the GOP is now ready to accept this?

    So your position is that the middle class is just lazy. That is the reason that more and more of them are sliding into poverty, even the ones that still have full-time jobs? Where are the jobs that people can pull themselves out of poverty with? Until you have a system that allows the majority of people to climb the ladder together, you are going to have to have social programs to prevent a hundred million people in the street ready to kill you for a loaf of bread. 30 years of Reaganomics has provided a crashed economy with few jobs and increased welfare.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You've yet to show proof, instead you're deflecting it to me.

    If you're so clearly assured that you're right, it should be of no consequence to prove it with hard facts.
    Tax rates do not translate directly to deficit spending.
    I've provided cold hard facts from three different credible sources. All I've seen from you is opinion unsubstantiated in any way.
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