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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I've heard that WI teachers pay over 1000 annually in union dues. divided by 12 = $83.00. I think it would annoy the hell out of me to have to write an $83.00 check every month.
    Well, then again, it is the year 2010. You're free to authorize your bank to allow your union to grab as much money as you want it to have every month, directly from your bank accout.

    And other people should be the equal freedom to tell the greedy left-wing unions to go to hell.

    AT THE LEAST, the employee payroll deduction must be voluntary, not automatic.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    It was unions that built the middle class


    "As Labor Day approaches, it's time for an honest assessment of where working people are. Wages, even for college graduates, are falling behind inflation. The number of families in poverty is growing. The middle-class debt load is off the charts and the personal savings rate is below zero. The costs of a college education, of health insurance, of energy for heating and driving, and of pharmaceuticals grow out of reach for more Americans with each passing day.

    What economists call the "income distribution" is, from a middle class perspective, as bad as it has been since the Great Depression. During the Roaring '20s, the split between rich and poor grew exceptionally large, leaving relatively few in the middle class. In the decades following the Depression, things began to change for the better as income and wealth became more evenly distributed. But now we are back to where we were as the nation stood on the brink of its greatest economic catastrophe ever. The very rich are richer than ever, but the rest of us are falling behind at an increasingly rapid pace.

    The history of labor unions in America helps tell the story of why we are losing the middle class. Private-sector unionization was legislated during the Depression. Union membership grew into the mid-20th century, then began a slow decline that continues today. Remember the income distribution numbers: a weak middle class in the Depression, a strong middle class in the decades following, and a weakening middle class now. The way these numbers generally track those for union activity is no coincidence.

    Unions equalize power in the market place between those who work and those who own something. Those who work are the stuff of which the middle class is made. Those who own fill the ranks of the very wealthy. When the balance of power is with labor unions, the gains from production stay with the middle class. When the balance shifts as it has today, the very wealthy take an ever-larger share from economic activity.

    As the very wealthy become even more so, they do not spend money in the way middle-class people do. After all, how many houses and cars, no matter how fine, can one have? Once people have more money than they can possibly spend on goods and services, they no longer use it in ways that stimulate the economy. Instead, they use the power their money brings to get more tax breaks, less regulation, more support for globalization, and policies that favor capital over labor. The middle class continues to weaken.

    In spite of all this, we are told not to worry, because the United States is becoming what some politicians call an "ownership society." Instead of supporting unions that bring decent wages to working people, we are advised to buy shares in the corporations that profit when wages are falling. Meanwhile, we ignore the most important aspect of our economy -- that we are a great market for goods and services.

    The trouble with all strategies that trade good jobs for cheap toasters is that they eventually erode that very market for the goods and services. A handful of hyper-wealthy individuals, along with millions of people living on the economic edge, are not the sound, stable market needed for growth. Only the middle class, with buying power widely distributed, can provide that. And that is what we are losing today.

    This Labor Day, let's remember that rebalancing power in the economy is essential if the middle class is to thrive. Doing this, however, will require more than our government alone reasonably can be expected to deliver. We must act together in the marketplace as well. The way to do that is the way we have always done it -- to join and support the unions that built the middle class in the first place.

    Richard A. Levins is a senior fellow at the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy -- Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy | Where global and local meet sustainability. He is a professor emeritus of Applied Economics at the University of Minnesota. His most recent book, "Middle Class * Union Made" is available from Itasca Books at www.itascabooks.com."


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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Socialism...the religious belief disguised as ideology that property does not exist and that all workers should possess in common their places of employment and their women.

    No, nothing socialist in what I post.

    Certainly nothing envious shown about people who resort to mob violence when told they're harming their state and the state needs to remove their illegal power to corrupt politicians becuase they're bankrupting the state by their excesses.
    You are complaining about how much a certain group of people are making over what typical people earn. When people did this against the bankers and other highly paid executives it was called socialism. You want them to make what everyone else is making (spread the wealth baby) which sounds darn socialist

    What about corporations ability to corrupt politicians, they typically have far more money to buy off politicians then unions
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    The following letter is being sent out from Wisconsin Unions/THE MOB to Wisconsin Business Owners.......



    Taking "Put the money in the bag.....or were gonna shut you down" to a whole new level.

    This ****ing disgusts me.....these power hungry union slobs are a disgrace to this country......and piss poor excuses for Americans. A Union of little thug dictators.......its no wonder they prostitute for The Democrat Party and The Kenyan Tyrant. Birds of a feather....
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    We need to be careful to not have an unbalanced approach to unions. Their existence is needed, but their existence needs proper reforms.

    There is no point in striving to be the world's #1 economy if our people are living in squallor and can't make ends meet. Unions ensure that work environments are safe and that wages are competitive. Where they fall short is in blocking desperately needed reforms to businesses and the public sector.

    A new balance is needed between employers, unions, and government. The status quo isn't working anymore. Unions have used their power to maximize personal gain, often for no rational reason other than making more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We need to be careful to not have an unbalanced approach to unions. Their existence is needed, but their existence needs proper reforms.

    There is no point in striving to be the world's #1 economy if our people are living in squallor and can't make ends meet. Unions ensure that work environments are safe and that wages are competitive. Where they fall short is in blocking desperately needed reforms to businesses and the public sector.

    A new balance is needed between employers, unions, and government. The status quo isn't working anymore. Unions have used their power to maximize personal gain, often for no rational reason other than making more money.
    Those dirty capitalists trying to make as much money as they can. Dont they know they should share the wealth to the non union members
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was unions that built the middle class
    i think you are thinking of the 1920's. that's when we saw the birth of the middle class. union membership growing and peaking has actually been typically associated with lower growth and higher unemployment, which harm the middle class. the corporatist National Industrial Recovery Act, for example, held wages and prices at 25% above their market levels, resulting in high unemployment and collapsed standards of living.



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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Those dirty capitalists trying to make as much money as they can. Dont they know they should share the wealth to the non union members
    no, no, it makes sense for them to do so. the problem is that unions create a monopsony (the reverse of a monopoly); with the resultant economic damage for everyone else.

    look at our traditionally highly unionized cities and states today. Detroit is the best example, but it's only the beginning.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Those dirty capitalists trying to make as much money as they can. Dont they know they should share the wealth to the non union members
    This is specious reasoning, as it's not about wealth, but quality control. Jobs are a privilege, not a right. If people aren't performing they should be fired or at least held back. Unions are making it so that people can coast through the seniority ladder with no merit to justify it, and at the same time get increasingly higher salaries.

    The union battles right now are about state budgets vs. union employees, so it's about money in this case, but the battle has been brewing for a while. They want to have their cake and eat it too and that's just not the way the economy works sometimes.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The former right to bargain collectively suffers further decline.
    you are mistaking a right for a priviledge.

    yup. given that unions tend to be economically parasitic in nature, leading to the inefficient allocation of resources, they have a resultant tendency to slowly choke the industries they are attached to, leading to long-term declining employment in that sector. there's a reason that Toyota didn't need a bailout but GM did.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    One of the goals seems to be limiting the amount of money union donate to political campaigns, something that has been removed from Corporation

    So companies get to buy the politicians, but not unions
    OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting

    may i invite you to peruse and see what the comparative corporate to union donations for the past couple of decades have been. unions - especially public sector unions - are THE big dog in the political donation game.

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