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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    He is invalidating their freedom of contract which is a part of freedom of association. An individual can enter into a contract (which is the basis for employment) as well as a group of individuals.
    No.

    Not one person is told they cannot be in a union.

    All persons are told they can choose to not be in a union.

    Perfect freedom of choice.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    This must be challenged.

    What rights have been lost by any employee of Wisconsin?
    The former right to bargain collectively suffers further decline.



    Unions & Employee Wages
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    first amendment, freedom of association, that combined with the fact that courts have long upheld the right of people to enter into a contract, as I have pointed out.
    Not to forget mentioning that people have the right to not enter into a contract, also.

    Nor should we forget that the state isn't required to bargain with the unions. Nothing wrong with firing workers who refuse to work (Mayor Snorkum believes this is a called a "strike", though the baseball reference is elusive) and replacing them with people willing to function on the job. Since we are discussing government employees, it's not like a high level of functioning is required, anyway.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The former right to bargain collectively suffers further decline.



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    What "right" to collective bargaining, since the phrase "collective bargaining" implies "closed shop", "loss of choice", and "enforced association"?

    The First Amendment does not allow collective bargaining as the term is used. The term is a typical misdirection beloved of lefties that seems to paint one picture of love and friendship while hiding the real picture of extortion, compulsion, and loss of choice for both employee and employer.

    Why do you support losing freedom of choice?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Not everyone wishes to bargain as a group. However, because a right isn't exercised does not mean it doesn't exist. I don't own a gun for example.
    And, however, a right that doesn't exist is a right that doesn't exist. "Collective bargaining" is one of those imaginary rights that don't exist at all.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Perhaps the non-union employee should look into how the union employee elevated themselves to having decent wages, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, etc. and strive to achieve that level, rather than trying to bring that group down to the non-union level of bare subsistence.
    You mean, the level everyone else in the state is working to, and the level which the unions are making it more difficult if not impossible for all the other workers in the state to achieve because the unions are bankrupting the states?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    all of which he could have sat down and negotiated over, and possibly, had gotten more in the way of concessions than he planned on....i had no problem with him asking them to pay more for their retirement/medical, but pray tell, why did he see fit to have to make them 'certify' every year? certification is an internal union matter, with provisions set up for decertification votes if enough of the membership wanted to be rid of the union....and not why not have the government collect the dues? that is standard procedure in most union contracts that the employer collect the dues and mail a check to the union every month...?? union busting, plain and simple.
    "Certification" is an "internal union" matter?

    NO. Certification is an assurance ot the employer that the employee has sufficient proficiency to perform his assigned task.

    There's no better reason for an employer to reject a union than for the union to demand it take control of the certification requirements.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You mean, the level everyone else in the state is working to, and the level which the unions are making it more difficult if not impossible for all the other workers in the state to achieve because the unions are bankrupting the states?
    That post seems a little socialist in nature

    It certainly has class envy in it
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    for the representation, a fair price to have a voice.
    The state employees HAVE a voice.

    Every election day at the ballot, and every day, with their feet.

    Under no circumstance should public employees ever be paid more than their private industry counterparts. If they believe they're so much better, then they can haul their butts out of the protected stagnant swamp of government land and compete for jobs with everyone else in the market where talent and ability is rewarded. But enough of this crap about how indispensible to poor government worker is. 95% of them are clerks, nothing more.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    That post seems a little socialist in nature

    It certainly has class envy in it
    Socialism...the religious belief disguised as ideology that property does not exist and that all workers should possess in common their places of employment and their women.

    No, nothing socialist in what I post.

    Certainly nothing envious shown about people who resort to mob violence when told they're harming their state and the state needs to remove their illegal power to corrupt politicians becuase they're bankrupting the state by their excesses.

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