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Unions threaten Business

Post 1 shows individuals who are part of a union making a decision to boycott some business, I didnt not see where the Wisconsin governnent decided to boycott those business`s. Perhaps you can show me where the Wisconsin goverment made the decision to boycott those business`s it would be appreciated.

So the entirety of the Wisconsin Public Work Force "is not the government"........in your book anyways.

As for boycotting union services, I do that everyday. I am not part of a union and have no current intention on doing so. You I expect are doing the same

Wrong........to boycott Union Thug Services would entail you taking your tax dollars and spending them elsewhere.........

........to conduct such a boycott.......would end with THE MOB sending men with guns to your door to help you reconsider.
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So the entirety of the Wisconsin Public Work Force "is not the government"........in your book anyways.



Wrong........to boycott Union Thug Services would entail you taking your tax dollars and spending them elsewhere.........

........to conduct such a boycott.......would end with THE MOB sending men with guns to your door to help you reconsider.
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And you are wrong

I am not using union services, as I am not part of a union. I do occasionally use government services


You continually fail to understand that what people do outside of work is their own business and does not mean it is a policy of their employer
 
WRONG. There are so many studies on this and it is an accepted fact in the education community. Illinois has always been known as one of the worse states for equal and appropriate funding of its schools. Chicago has been known as a horrible place for equal education funding and racial/economic disparities in education. You should know this. Here's one study that sums it up very well.

I fail to see how your study shows that Chicago is a horrible place for equal education funding and racial/economic disparities in education.
 
Money is a small part of the problem. There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students. NY is my proof. Are you saying the whole state of New York is over-weighted in special needs kids? Kids with socio-economic problems? Even if that were true, which it is not, it is still evidence that money alone will not solve that problem.

There most certainly is proof that smaller class room size, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids do improve test scores, and all of those things require increased funding. And yes the large urban populations of NY affect the state average.

Every school district in Illinois has separate classes for special needs kids. I don't know what you're talking about.

Perhaps in an unionized state that might be the case. Good on them! In non-union states, inclusion of special needs kids in the regular classroom is the norm.
 
And you are wrong

I am not using union services, as I am not part of a union. I do occasionally use government services

So your "boycott of UNION THUG SERVICES INC"......entails you giving UTS the money.....but refuse the service.

.....that will show them!

You continually fail to understand that what people do outside of work is their own business and does not mean it is a policy of their employer

So its outside of their work......

James L. Palmer, Executive Director
Wisconsin Professional Police Association
Mahlon Mitchell,President
Professional Professional Fire Fighters
Jim Conway, President
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311
John Matthews, Execuctive Director
Madison Teachers, Inc.
Keith Patt, Executive Director
Green Bay Education Association
Bob Richardson, President
Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association
Dan Frei, Prersident
Madison Professional Police Officers Association


.....strange......they used their work titles......and listed their Government associations.......
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So your "boycott of UNION THUG SERVICES INC"......entails you giving UTS the money.....but refuse the service.

.....that will show them!



So its outside of their work......

James L. Palmer, Executive Director
Wisconsin Professional Police Association
Mahlon Mitchell,President
Professional Professional Fire Fighters
Jim Conway, President
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311
John Matthews, Execuctive Director
Madison Teachers, Inc.
Keith Patt, Executive Director
Green Bay Education Association
Bob Richardson, President
Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association
Dan Frei, Prersident
Madison Professional Police Officers Association


.....strange......they used their work titles......and listed their Government associations.......
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hmmmm....i googled that 'UNION THUG SERVICES INC.'...that you keep mentioning , strange, could not find anything...wonder why that would be?....perhaps it is because it doenst exist?
 
In which you claimed Boycotts are similar to mobster tactics?

And policemen, firemen, public utility workers, and TEACHERS are "piss poor Americans?"

Yeah, we saw it.

Yeah I meant it.......anyone who willingly and knowingly holds FREE PEOPLE hostage to their political will are piss poor excuses for Americans....


More evidence of Fox News misinformation working on their viewing audience
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.....so Public Sector Union slobs dont receive taxpayer dollars?

Promise?

Home school your kids.

...still have to pay for Subprime Union Public Schools

Don't drive on public roads.

.......just foot the bill

And don't bother the police with complaints.
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RIght....just bother with paying the tab.
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Like all Public Options....there is but one option.....and only one option
 
There most certainly is proof that smaller class room size, increased instruction time, and separate classes for special needs kids do improve test scores, and all of those things require increased funding. And yes the large urban populations of NY affect the state average.

Not necessarily increased funding. Reallocation of funds from their budgets would accomplish the very same thing. Spent more money on students. Less on administration. Less on legal fees. Less on nonteaching positions. This is such a slippery eel no one can get their arms around it -- other than to say: We Need More $$$$!!!

Perhaps in an unionized state that might be the case. Good on them! In non-union states, inclusion of special needs kids in the regular classroom is the norm.

Really? Do you have a link for that?
 
hmmmm....i googled that 'UNION THUG SERVICES INC.'...that you keep mentioning , strange, could not find anything...wonder why that would be?....perhaps it is because it doenst exist?

Actually we went out of business. The most we could get for kneecapping was $300.00 bucks and we just could not find the talent to do it right anymore. Back in the old days there were always a few kids willing to prove their chops and do those starting jobs like breaking thumbs, gouging eyes and hassling somebody's kids outside their school just to throw the fear of the union into them. But sadly, the good old days are gone and now their are but a distant memory of a better time. I think Jimmy Hoffa would roll over in his grave in the endzone of that football stadium if he could see our union leaders today eating quiche and sipping on white wine bribing politicians with Mexican time shares.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
 
Actually we went out of business. The most we could get for kneecapping was $300.00 bucks and we just could not find the talent to do it right anymore. Back in the old days there were always a few kids willing to prove their chops and do those starting jobs like breaking thumbs, gouging eyes and hassling somebody's kids outside their school just to throw the fear of the union into them. But sadly, the good old days are gone and now their are but a distant memory of a better time. I think Jimmy Hoffa would roll over in his grave in the endzone of that football stadium if he could see our union leaders today eating quiche and sipping on white wine bribing politicians with Mexican time shares.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
only 300 bucks for a good kneecapping? damn...just damn.....back in the day that was a grand easy......i know times are tough and all, but only 300? i miss the good ol' days.
 
I fail to see how your study shows that Chicago is a horrible place for equal education funding and racial/economic disparities in education.

You are a piece of work. Those were two separate points. Point 1. You should know that Chicago is a horrible place for equal education/disparities because you live there. If you read the study it specifically, albeit briefly, mentions Illinois as one of the worst states. Point 2. The study was meant to answer your frequent, ignorant assertion that:

There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students.

I assume that you realize that the study and the reality of MA school reform prove your point wrong or else you would have had more to say than: what does that have to do with Chicago?
 
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So your "boycott of UNION THUG SERVICES INC"......entails you giving UTS the money.....but refuse the service.

.....that will show them!



So its outside of their work......

James L. Palmer, Executive Director
Wisconsin Professional Police Association
Mahlon Mitchell,President
Professional Professional Fire Fighters
Jim Conway, President
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311
John Matthews, Execuctive Director
Madison Teachers, Inc.
Keith Patt, Executive Director
Green Bay Education Association
Bob Richardson, President
Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association
Dan Frei, Prersident
Madison Professional Police Officers Association


.....strange......they used their work titles......and listed their Government associations.......
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I dont give my money to the union, I dont buy any Union services

I may buy a car from Ford, and pay taxes to the government but I do not use any UNION services

Please show me a UNION service that I use, not a service that might be provided by person who might be part of a union. It is a very important distinction mind you
 
Not necessarily increased funding. Reallocation of funds from their budgets would accomplish the very same thing. Spent more money on students. Less on administration. Less on legal fees. Less on nonteaching positions. This is such a slippery eel no one can get their arms around it -- other than to say: We Need More $$$$!!!

Really? Do you have a link for that?

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court declared that Massachusetts had failed its constitutional duty “to provide education in the public schools for the children there enrolled, whether they be rich or poor and without regard to the fiscal capacity of the community or district in which such children live”.[...] Days later, after a special session of the legislature, the governor signed the Education Reform Act of 1993, which changed the way schools are funded in Massachusetts. During the following 10 years, from 1993 to 2003, state education funding increased by 12 percent a year, with a total price tag of about $30.8 billion. The additional state money was targeted to schools attended by poor students and went for tutoring programs, additional training for teachers, smaller classes, and technology.[...]This year’s results on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) demonstrated the effect of such focused efforts. Fourth-graders and eighth-graders in Massachusetts outperformed students in every other state in both reading and math. To give a sense of the improvement, in 1992, just 23 percent of Massachusetts’s fourth-graders were proficient in NAEP’s math standards; in 2005, 49 percent were proficient.

1. Increased funding by 12% per year.
2. Money directed to poor schools.
3. Smaller classrooms, tutoring programs, technology, training.
4. Literacy jumps by 26%.
 
You are a piece of work. Those were two separate points. Point 1. You should know that Chicago is a horrible place for equal education/disparities. If you read the study it specifically, albeit briefly, mentions Illinois as one of the worst states. Point 2. The study was meant to answer your frequent, ignorant assertion that:

I'm getting very tired of your personal attacks, TPD. Whatever it mentioned "albeit briefly" should have been cited in your quote.

I assume that you realize that the study and the reality of MA school reform prove your point wrong or else you would have had more to say than: what does that have to do with Chicago?

Not at all. Your example was more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York State that I posted earlier. We can both cherry pick all day long...the fact remains that money alone (Catawba's ridiculous comparion to our military spending) will do nothing to give students a better education. It's how that money is spent. If you can't accept that statement as true, I really can't help you.
 
I dont give my money to the union, I dont buy any Union services

Sure you do......via Federal Income Taxes, State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, City Income Taxes.....

I may buy a car from Ford, and pay taxes to the government but I do not use any UNION services

Please show me a UNION service that I use, not a service that might be provided by person who might be part of a union. It is a very important distinction mind you

If you stretch any farther.....your risking dislocation.....
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1. Increased funding by 12% per year.
2. Money directed to poor schools.
3. Smaller classrooms, tutoring programs, technology, training.
4. Literacy jumps by 26%.

And you are proud that 49% of 4th graders were proficient? That's absurd. When people post statistics like that and call it success, is it any wonder many of us think we're flushing $$ down the toilet?
 
Sure you do......via Federal Income Taxes, State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, City Income Taxes.....



If you stretch any farther.....your risking dislocation.....
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answer the man's questions...show and tell time....you made a claim, time to back it up.
 
Sure you do......via Federal Income Taxes, State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, City Income Taxes.....



If you stretch any farther.....your risking dislocation.....
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I pay the money to the government not the union. The government then uses that money to buy goods, services and income support for some. I did not buy any union service
 
I pay the money to the government not the union. The government then uses that money to buy goods, services and income support for some. I did not buy any union service

Wrong......Government takes the money from you, at gunpoint if necessary.....and gives it to the Union.

The Union Circle of Theft
From The Taxpayer......To Statist Government....To Union Slobs....To the Union....and back to Statist Politicians......
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Wrong......Government takes the money from you, at gunpoint if necessary.....and gives it to the Union.

The Union Circle of Theft
From The Taxpayer......To Statist Government....To Union Slobs....To the Union....and back to Statist Politicians......
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strange, i've never had the government take money from me by gunpoint...try again?
 
Not necessarily increased funding. Reallocation of funds from their budgets would accomplish the very same thing. Spent more money on students. Less on administration. Less on legal fees. Less on nonteaching positions. This is such a slippery eel no one can get their arms around it -- other than to say: We Need More $$$$!!!

Let's see your plan, or the one you are referencing here? I must have missed the reallocation of funds in Wisconsin's budget to the students. Are they hiring more teachers? Are they increasing instruction time? The only reallocation I read about was taking about the same amount to be cut from teachers and giving it to corporations in the form of more tax breaks.



Really? Do you have a link for that?

Mainstreaming: A Special Education Debate: Mainstreaming Analysis
 
strange, i've never had the government take money from me by gunpoint...try again?

.....because its easier and safer to just let THE MOB take it isnt it. Should you object, they send men with guns to your door.
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Wrong......Government takes the money from you, at gunpoint if necessary.....and gives it to the Union.

The Union Circle of Theft
From The Taxpayer......To Statist Government....To Union Slobs....To the Union....and back to Statist Politicians......
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It doesnt give it to the union, they have to purchase the services of the workers who happen to be in the union. The people in the Union pay for union services I do not
 
I'm getting very tired of your personal attacks, TPD. Whatever it mentioned "albeit briefly" should have been cited in your quote.

Not at all. Your example was more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York State that I posted earlier. We can both cherry pick all day long...the fact remains that money alone (Catawba's ridiculous comparion to our military spending) will do nothing to give students a better education. It's how that money is spent. If you can't accept that statement as true, I really can't help you.

I have seen you personally attack people all over this board much worse than I've ever done and you play the victim every time. When I was newer, I didn't realize that this is just your M.O.. Even this retort is veiled with personal attacks - you're just more passive about it.

There is a difference between "money alone" and
There is absolutely no proof that spending more money helps students.

1. I never said "money alone" will do the trick and neither has anybody else. Me and others have talked about money as a factor that contributes to a good education particularly when you consider the fact that most states underfund low-income schools which tend to perform worse. You keep making up that claim "money alone" and arguing against. I have argued that increased funding + appropriate use of funding = better education.

2. The fact that you think that the study I provided was "more than beat into the ground by statistics in New York" just means that you are unwilling to acknowledge facts that counter your comfortable world view. Massachusetts increased funding, spent that increased funding on poor schools in places where it was needed and increased its math literacy from 23% to 49%. I am dumbfounded that anyone could look at that and say: "well money isn't a big deal".

3. What you fail to realize, in your attack of an imaginary argument that "money solves all problems", is that increased money does good things when it is spent appropriately. Underfunded schools need more money just like underfunded schools need to spend their bigger funds appropriately.

Although you have provided statistics that show New York's funding has not lead to a quick increase in better education, you have not shown 1. How they used those funds (obviously MA used them appropriately, did NY?) ....and you have not realized 2. New York just began an overhaul of its education system. Massachusetts didn't see the full extent of their reforms' influence for 10-12 years. Reform takes time. It doesn't just happen in 2-4 years.
 
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