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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The colective bargaining right in the bill that was passed will positively affect future budgets.

    Through collective bargaining, teacher's unions had been able to obtain raises above CPI, emeritus status (a retiree shows up for 30 days of work over a three year period (10 days avg/year) and obtains 1 years full salary), captive health care benefits (districts having to take health care coverage through the union, which costs more then in premium then other, similar health coverage) were all colelctively bargained for.

    Not being able to collectively bargain for these types of items in teh future, and being able to roll back some of these (IMO abuses) will result in lower budgets well into the future.
    all of which he could have sat down and negotiated over, and possibly, had gotten more in the way of concessions than he planned on....i had no problem with him asking them to pay more for their retirement/medical, but pray tell, why did he see fit to have to make them 'certify' every year? certification is an internal union matter, with provisions set up for decertification votes if enough of the membership wanted to be rid of the union....and not why not have the government collect the dues? that is standard procedure in most union contracts that the employer collect the dues and mail a check to the union every month...?? union busting, plain and simple.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Huh??? So unless someone is a member of a union they are struggling for bare subsistence? Less than 12% of American workers belong to unions. Most of the rest of us, BWG, are doin' just fine.

    I've seen this opinion expressed many times before on DP. It makes me think that unions propagandize this viewpoint to keep their members in line. "The evil corporations..." "Us against them..." Yikes!
    most of the rest of you are doing fine? everything i'm reading and seeing is that prices are going up, wages are going down, are stagnant, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class is dissapearing. you personally may be doing fine, but many are treading water, or slipping.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Perhaps the non-union employee should look into how the union employee elevated themselves to having decent wages, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, etc. and strive to achieve that level, rather than trying to bring that group down to the non-union level of bare subsistence.
    And perhaps Non-union employees could have a decent wage, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, ect........

    .....if they werent too damn broke after paying for yours.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    all of which he could have sat down and negotiated over, and possibly, had gotten more in the way of concessions than he planned on....i had no problem with him asking them to pay more for their retirement/medical, but pray tell, why did he see fit to have to make them 'certify' every year? certification is an internal union matter, with provisions set up for decertification votes if enough of the membership wanted to be rid of the union....and not why not have the government collect the dues? that is standard procedure in most union contracts that the employer collect the dues and mail a check to the union every month...?? union busting, plain and simple.
    The problem is that the unions were, in many cases, negotiating with sympathetic parties that were supposed to be representing tax payers/districts. This is the reason we ended up with some of the abuses (IMO) that I listed above. The bill that was passed will get rid of the possilbity of those types of "fringe benefits" in the future which will save districts and the state signifcant amounts of money way into the future. It will also make it likely that those benefits will be unwound. To claim there was no benefit to the budget, as you seemed to do, is either disingenuous or shows a lack of understanding as to what is really going on.

    As for the recertifying every year, the dem14 had obtained a compromise on that measure. However, they wanted even more, or as many have stated they were really just delaying in order to allow as many contracts to be renewed under the old rules and waiting for recalls to be completed. In other words, they shot for the moon. They got the moon, just not the one they expected.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    And perhaps Non-union employees could have a decent wage, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, ect........

    .....if they werent too damn broke after paying for yours.
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    so are you saying that it is the unions fault that you don't have all these? are the unions the ones not paying you a good wage/benefits? you really need to think things through before you post.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The problem is that the unions were, in many cases, negotiating with sympathetic parties that were supposed to be representing tax payers/districts. This is the reason we ended up with some of the abuses (IMO) that I listed above. The bill that was passed will get rid of the possilbity of those types of "fringe benefits" in the future which will save districts and the state signifcant amounts of money for way into the future. It will also make it likely that those benefits will be unwound. To claim there was no benefit to the budget, as you seemed to do, is either disingenuous or shows a lack of understanding as to what is really going on.

    As for the recertifying every year, the dem14 had obtained a compromise on that measure. However, they wanted even more, or as many have stated they were really just delaying in order to allow as many contracts to be renewed under the old rules and waiting for recalls to be completed. In other words, they shot for the moon. They got the moon, just not the one they expected.
    i'd have no problem with the governor if he would have sat down and discussed this with the unions, instead of acting like a tyrant, the whole 'my way or the highway' way of governing...the whole recertification thing is none of his business, as i stated, that is an internal union issue. what i don't get, is the state budget, he was looking to save 30 mill immediately, which he would have gotten, and something like 300 mill over 3 years...the budget deficit was what? 3 billion...this fight got him less than 10 percent of his shortfall...what about the rest of the deficit? if you are really broke, and looking to make cuts, why was he giving tax breaks to those who supported him? i maintain that this was nothing but union busting...by the way, i am enjoying the conversation with you buck. we may not agree, but i like the civility.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Huh??? So unless someone is a member of a union they are struggling for bare subsistence? Less than 12% of American workers belong to unions. Most of the rest of us, BWG, are doin' just fine.

    I've seen this opinion expressed many times before on DP. It makes me think that unions propagandize this viewpoint to keep their members in line. "The evil corporations..." "Us against them..." Yikes!
    Non union workers benefit along with the union workers
    How unions help all workers

    " How unions help all workers
    Lawrence Mishel Matthew Walters
    August 26, 2003 "

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so are you saying that it is the unions fault that you don't have all these? are the unions the ones not paying you a good wage/benefits? you really need to think things through before you post.
    No Im saying its the Union's fault that Poor and Middle Class taxpayers are being raped via State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, and City Income Taxes.........in the name of providing Public Sector Union slobs with their Bloated Salaries, Gold Plated Health Care, and Diamond Inlayed Pensions.

    As I said, maybe the Poor and Middle Class could afford their own......if they werent too damn broke after paying for yours.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The problem is that the unions were, in many cases, negotiating with sympathetic parties that were supposed to be representing tax payers/districts. This is the reason we ended up with some of the abuses (IMO) that I listed above. The bill that was passed will get rid of the possilbity of those types of "fringe benefits" in the future which will save districts and the state signifcant amounts of money way into the future. It will also make it likely that those benefits will be unwound. To claim there was no benefit to the budget, as you seemed to do, is either disingenuous or shows a lack of understanding as to what is really going on.

    As for the recertifying every year, the dem14 had obtained a compromise on that measure. However, they wanted even more, or as many have stated they were really just delaying in order to allow as many contracts to be renewed under the old rules and waiting for recalls to be completed. In other words, they shot for the moon. They got the moon, just not the one they expected.
    as for the 'sympathetic parties'...i really don't think that holds water, as the majority of the electorate didnt belong to this union, and they voted in those who represent them...why not vote them out if the electorate thought that they had been giving away the house all these years?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    No Im saying its the Union's fault that Poor and Middle Class taxpayers are being raped via State Income Taxes, Property Taxes, Sales Taxes, and City Income Taxes.........in the name of providing Public Sector Union slobs with their Bloated Salaries, Gold Plated Health Care, and Diamond Inlayed Pensions.

    As I said, maybe the Poor and Middle Class could afford their own......if they werent too damn broke after paying for yours.
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    again, think through what you are saying..you are not making much sense.

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