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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What you call union busting, many of the rest of us call reining in the power of public sector employees and giving more power to the individual schools, cities and towns to balance their budgets.

    I agree with you. Wisconsin isn't over by a long shot. Time will tell. I hope Governor Walker goes on a PR campaign to educate people on exactly what happened. And part of what happened is that the Wisconsin 14 fled the state in order to give some unions an opportunity to get their contracts signed before the law was passed. Madison's mayor being the most notable.
    be honest maggie, you know it was union busting and precious little to do with a budget...as has been pointed out before, if it were about the budget, this would have been over in a few short days, as the concessions the governor wanted were offered, the governor made no effort to talk with the unions...he was perfectly willing to talk to one of his masters, a 'koch ' brother, but not with the unions.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    exactly. wealth creators tend to vote Republican. Wealth consumers tend to vote Democrat.


    Randel: Wisconsin just became like 26 other states and still has more collective bargaining for it's employees than the federal government. what in the world is "hardcore" about that?
    the governor overstepped by a country mile...simple union busting is all this was.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you realize of course, how assinine you sound?
    Why are you having such a problem with THE TRUTH.......

    Government's monopoly on brute force ensures you pay.......or men with guns are dispatched to your door. You put the money in the bag, or THE MOB sends people to your home to make you an offer you cant refuse.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    be honest maggie, you know it was union busting and precious little to do with a budget...as has been pointed out before, if it were about the budget, this would have been over in a few short days, as the concessions the governor wanted were offered, the governor made no effort to talk with the unions...he was perfectly willing to talk to one of his masters, a 'koch ' brother, but not with the unions.
    Every time I take a step back and rethink this issue, I come back to the same place: What is union busting about wanting to rein in state public sector unions to have the same (actually slightly more) bargaining rights that Federal workers have? What is so terrible about that? It's a change, yes. But trying to destroy unions? I just don't buy it.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha
    .......the same Poor and Middle Class Private Market Taxpayers that have sacrificed time and time again........who cant afford to buy their own health insurance, their own retirement, their own roof and food...........
    Perhaps the non-union employee should look into how the union employee elevated themselves to having decent wages, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, etc. and strive to achieve that level, rather than trying to bring that group down to the non-union level of bare subsistence.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Why are you having such a problem with THE TRUTH.......

    Government's monopoly on brute force ensures you pay.......or men with guns are dispatched to your door. You put the money in the bag, or THE MOB sends people to your home to make you an offer you cant refuse.
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    the truth? you want the truth?? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    be honest maggie, you know it was union busting and precious little to do with a budget...as has been pointed out before, if it were about the budget, this would have been over in a few short days, as the concessions the governor wanted were offered, the governor made no effort to talk with the unions...he was perfectly willing to talk to one of his masters, a 'koch ' brother, but not with the unions.
    The colective bargaining right in the bill that was passed will positively affect future budgets.

    Through collective bargaining, teacher's unions had been able to obtain raises above CPI, emeritus status (a retiree shows up for 30 days of work over a three year period (10 days avg/year) and obtains 1 years full salary), captive health care benefits (districts having to take health care coverage through the union, which costs more in premium then other, similar health coverage) were all collectively bargained for.

    Not being able to collectively bargain for these types of budget busting items in the future, and being able to roll back some of these (IMO abuses) will result in lower budgets well into the future.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Perhaps the non-union employee should look into how the union employee elevated themselves to having decent wages, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, etc. and strive to achieve that level, rather than trying to bring that group down to the non-union level of bare subsistence.
    hmmmm..now their is an idea!!!

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    "If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
    and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
    they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
    they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
    and pay them out of their public treasury;
    they may take into their own hands the education of children,
    establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
    they may assume the provision of the poor;
    they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
    in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
    down to the most minute object of police,
    would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
    of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
    it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
    of the limited Government established by the people of America."


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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Perhaps the non-union employee should look into how the union employee elevated themselves to having decent wages, adequate retirement, nice housing, enough food for their families, health insurance, etc. and strive to achieve that level, rather than trying to bring that group down to the non-union level of bare subsistence.
    Huh??? So unless someone is a member of a union they are struggling for bare subsistence? Less than 12% of American workers belong to unions. Most of the rest of us, BWG, are doin' just fine.

    I've seen this opinion expressed many times before on DP. It makes me think that unions propagandize this viewpoint to keep their members in line. "The evil corporations..." "Us against them..." Yikes!
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