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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    or i guess we could call it a 'right not to have a union limit employment availability' state?
    mmmmmm....no....right to work for less is accurate.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    depends on where you are. if you are not in a right to work state, for example, what you are in is a right to work for much less state.

    trade unions (like the guilds that predated them) are good for their current and especially their senior members. by controlling the supply of that labor or service they are able to influence it's price upwards.

    they just happen to be bad for everyone else in the economy.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    First and foremost once the governmental workers are paid for the services they provide, the money they have earned is no longer taxpayer money. No more so then the money I paid to ford to buy the F150 is my money anymore. It is fords, up until ford uses that money to pay its suppliers (either of labor or parts). Once that money is paid it is the parts supplier or the labor suppliers. As the factory workers at ford have chosen to be unionizied they have choosen to use a portion of THEIR money to fund the union operations (not my money anymore)
    Except the big difference being, you freely chose to buy the F-150.......the Ford Dealer didnt have to dispatch men with guns to your door to ensure you bought his product or service.

    Lastly a boycott is generally the lack of use of money rather then the use of money
    THE MOB isnt going to stop spending money.......they just wont be spending money at the businesses that dont abide by their political will.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    First just to clear the air YOU are not my friend, YOU give me NOTHING, I work for and earn my pay check. Those who preceded me organized the workers and through an organized effort the workers were able to improve not only thier job conditions but also their living conditions.
    Your right....nothing is given to you......its fleeced from Poor and Middle Class taxpayers under the threat of brute force......

    .....the same Poor and Middle Class Taxpayers that have smaller salaries and fewer benefits.

    Those YOU elected to office represented YOUR interests at the bargaining table if you felt the contract they negotiated was not in your best interest YOU should have voted them out of office. tHE TEACHERS in Wisconsin offered to renegotaite their wages, YOUR elected representative said NO, His primary goal the goal of the republicans is to weaken the middle class by taking away their collective bargaining rights, NOW the union membership will repond by removing their money from a company that used their union membership's money to fund his campaign,
    Well here is a newsflash.....Wisconsin voters elected a Pro-Taxpayer/Anit-Public Union Governor and Government......as did many other states. The Bargaining Table of the past, which entailed never satisfied Union Slobs on one side and Democrat Politicians promising them the world on the other, is no more.

    They have a great idea in Wisconsin, in PA one of the large donors to the republican govenor "who was convicted in 97 of employing illegals" was giving a job as the State Treasurer will feel the financial bite at his business.

    What governor Walker of Wisconsin started the union membership will finish, We don't need to picket we just need to keep our hard earned cash out of the pockets of those who donate to candidates who want to destroy our rights to organized representation at the bargaining table
    Well considering 95% of business owners vote Non-Democrat........good luck!
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    depends on where you are. if you are not in a right to work state, for example, what you are in is a right to work for much less state.

    trade unions (like the guilds that predated them) are good for their current and especially their senior members. by controlling the supply of that labor or service they are able to influence it's price upwards.

    they just happen to be bad for everyone else in the economy.
    union shops bring up the wages of non-union shops that do similar work in their area, that is a benefit to those in non-union shops, and as a whole, thanks to unions, benefits are better for everyone.

    i know many here , the hardcore 'conservatives' are happy with the way wisconsin turned out, but rest assured, that battle isnt over by a longshot...why are those hardcore 'conservatives' happy with what happened? because they see it as a crippling blow to the democrats, that will hurt them financially come the next election. if these 'conservatives' were honest in public, they would admit that what walker did was union busting, and had very precious little to do with 'balancing the budget' as walker claimed...listen to the phone call he had with the supposed koch brother...this wasnt about the budget, sorry, it wasnt.... i've also read on this forum that these wisconsin union members have 'state protections' and don't need unions....with the unions out of the way, who enforces these 'protections'? protections are no good with no one to enforce them, and are we honestly going to argue that those who are elected to do the business of Big Business really give a rat's ass about 'employee protections'?? enforcing these 'employee rights' takes money, it takes organization, it takes lawyers...very few people on their own can afford a protracted legal fight. This is one of the main purposes of unions, to enforce 'employee rights'. with unions out of the way, these rights and protections start dissapearing.

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no one is showing up at your door...grow the hell up....
    Yes of course.......try and boycott UNION THUG SERVICES INC.......see what happens.....
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    union shops bring up the wages of non-union shops that do similar work in their area, that is a benefit to those in non-union shops, and as a whole, thanks to unions, benefits are better for everyone.

    i know many here , the hardcore 'conservatives' are happy with the way wisconsin turned out, but rest assured, that battle isnt over by a longshot...why are those hardcore 'conservatives' happy with what happened? because they see it as a crippling blow to the democrats, that will hurt them financially come the next election. if these 'conservatives' were honest in public, they would admit that what walker did was union busting, and had very precious little to do with 'balancing the budget' as walker claimed...listen to the phone call he had with the supposed koch brother...this wasnt about the budget, sorry, it wasnt.... i've also read on this forum that these wisconsin union members have 'state protections' and don't need unions....with the unions out of the way, who enforces these 'protections'? protections are no good with no one to enforce them, and are we honestly going to argue that those who are elected to do the business of Big Business really give a rat's ass about 'employee protections'?? enforcing these 'employee rights' takes money, it takes organization, it takes lawyers...very few people on their own can afford a protracted legal fight. This is one of the main purposes of unions, to enforce 'employee rights'. with unions out of the way, these rights and protections start dissapearing.
    What you call union busting, many of the rest of us call reining in the power of public sector employees and giving more power to the individual schools, cities and towns to balance their budgets.

    I agree with you. Wisconsin isn't over by a long shot. Time will tell. I hope Governor Walker goes on a PR campaign to educate people on exactly what happened. And part of what happened is that the Wisconsin 14 fled the state in order to give some unions an opportunity to get their contracts signed before the law was passed. Madison's mayor being the most notable.
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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Yes of course.......try and boycott UNION THUG SERVICES INC.......see what happens.....
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    you realize of course, how assinine you sound?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well considering 95% of business owners vote Non-Democrat........good luck!
    exactly. wealth creators tend to vote Republican. Wealth consumers tend to vote Democrat.


    Randel: Wisconsin just became like 26 other states and still has more collective bargaining for it's employees than the federal government. what in the world is "hardcore" about that?

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    Re: Unions threaten Business

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you mean a right to work for less state?
    A right to work state means that joining a union and paying union dues is not a precondition to getting a job. If you believe collective bargaining is a right then doesn't a right mean that its optional for you to exercise? Shouldn't someone be free to not join a if they choose not to or to join or form a union of their own choosing if they do not like the union that is available?
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