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    Re: Iowa State House moves to follow in Wisconsins' footsteps

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not particularly, which is why i am glad that these state governors and houses are looking out for those middle class houses by making sure that their tax rates don't get hiked in order to provide exorbitant compensation to the very small percentage of people who make up public employee union members.
    If it's very small, then why would it have that great of an impact? It seems to me that righties are all about shared sacrifice, for everyone but the rich, who need tax breaks while everyone else sacrifices.


    gosh. so the government gets the money that it pays them from the magic money tree, then?
    Oh, there's so many other ways to grow how much money is on that tree. But it's all moot anyways since walker's bill doesn't even do anything fiscal, it just punishes unions for donating to the wrong party.


    actually cutting government spending does help the economy by reducing drag and inefficiency.
    Perhaps in the long run, but that's debatable on the specific grounds of whatever's being cut. As it stands right now, this is bad for the economy, just as it'd be bad if a private sector job did this to their workers. The rich don't drive the economy nearly as much as the middle class does.
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    Re: Iowa State House moves to follow in Wisconsins' footsteps

    The U.S. needs to compete with China if it is to survive. Lowering worker rights is one avenue, and the GOP is succeeding in doing it.

    America is selling out thanks to the neo-cons.

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    Re: Iowa State House moves to follow in Wisconsins' footsteps

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    If it's very small, then why would it have that great of an impact?
    it wouldn't. which is why we need to worry more about the much, much larger sector of the economy, which is the taxpayers.

    It seems to me that righties are all about shared sacrifice, for everyone but the rich, who need tax breaks while everyone else sacrifices.
    then you are incorrect. what the right has recognized is that the more you tax the wealthy, the more they engage in tax-avoidance, which means the less they are chasing return, which means the less they are investing, which means lower growth, which means lower employment, lower wages, and lower standards of living.

    we are 'about' increasing the size of the pie so that everyone else get's more. folks like Haymarket, otoh, seem to be more 'about' making sure that the pieces are equalized, irrespective of whether or not everyone actually ends up with more pie.

    Oh, there's so many other ways to grow how much money is on that tree.
    what? the point was that all the money going to those "middle class teachers" is coming from someone else. not the government; the government does not have it's own money; it only has what it has taken from others either through taxation or borrowing.

    But it's all moot anyways since walker's bill doesn't even do anything fiscal, it just punishes unions for donating to the wrong party.
    incorrect. reducing public union power over the process reduces future expenditures as surely as reforming social security to a lower rate of benefit growth does.

    Perhaps in the long run, but that's debatable on the specific grounds of whatever's being cut.
    you've got public-square issues, the result of whose loss can bring a greater long-term drag, but they are pretty specific and fairly limited (contract enforcement, rule of law, protection from invasion, solid monetary supply, pollution reduction, etc)

    As it stands right now, this is bad for the economy, just as it'd be bad if a private sector job did this to their workers. The rich don't drive the economy nearly as much as the middle class does.
    actually about 2% of the populace 'drives' the economy. the rest of us are mostly just along for the ride.

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    Re: Iowa State House moves to follow in Wisconsins' footsteps

    later edit: after doing some further reading it looks like it might have a wider range of 2-5% of the populace that are the economic drivers in our economy. so the point remains the same, but the math changes a bit.

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