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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

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Ive been saying this for years! Teachers are paid TWICE what they are worth! Reading this REALLY pisses me off!

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel confirms that's how much the average Milwaukee teacher will be paid in salary and benefits in 2011:
the average MPS teacher would receive total compensation of $101,091 -- $59,500 in salary and $41,591 in benefits.

We double-checked with MPS spokeswoman Roseann St. Aubin and she confirmed the figures.

We wanted to compare the $101,091 for MPS teachers to other teachers, but the latest figurescompiled by the state Department of Public Instruction are for 2009-2010, two years earlier.



$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher | The Weekly Standard
 
Actually, I think this is completely appropriate compensation.

What do you think compensation should be for senior enlisted members of our military with over 20 years of service?
 
What do you think compensation should be for senior enlisted members of our military with over 20 years of service?

Comparable, if not somewhat higher.
 
I know that. Doesn't alter my position one little bit.

ALright man...... teachers hardly do any work. They are there for SIX hours a day! Thats 30 hours a WEEK! They are off around 2 days a month for whatever lame holiday comes around. Then they have THREE MONTHS OFF!!! Their job is EASY! At least 3 out of 10 people could walk in and do their job with ZERO training.
You know why its hard to get a teachers position? Because everyone and their cousin wants to be one! So they made it more difficult in Illinois to qualify. My friend Rob is a teacher. He used to be a retail book store manager. He said that was TWICE as difficult.

Lets not even get into how difficult it is to fire a crappy teacher! Or their INSANE pensions! Beginning teachers should make no more than $27K a year and after ten years make no more than $37K a year. Now divide that salary by NINE...... NOT 12 since they only work 9 months. Plus they need to pay 20% of their benefits.
 
What do you think compensation should be for senior enlisted members of our military with over 20 years of service?

They should be getting paid what teachers do if not a tad more. They deserve it.
 
ALright man...... teachers hardly do any work. They are there for SIX hours a day! Thats 30 hours a WEEK! They are off around 2 days a month for whatever lame holiday comes around. Then they have THREE MONTHS OFF!!! Their job is EASY! At least 3 out of 10 people could walk in and do their job with ZERO training.
You know why its hard to get a teachers position? Because everyone and their cousin wants to be one! So they made it more difficult in Illinois to qualify. My friend Rob is a teacher. He used to be a retail book store manager. He said that was TWICE as difficult.

Lets not even get into how difficult it is to fire a crappy teacher! Or their INSANE pensions! Beginning teachers should make no more than $27K a year and after ten years make no more than $37K a year. Now divide that salary by NINE...... NOT 12 since they only work 9 months. Plus they need to pay 20% of their benefits.

It may be hard to get a teaching position these days, but its hard to find any job. Before the current recession though, I seem to remember story after story of teacher shortages. Especially in math and science. Also, if the job was as easy as you claim, the burnout rate would not be so high.
 
It may be hard to get a teaching position these days, but its hard to find any job. Before the current recession though, I seem to remember story after story of teacher shortages. Especially in math and science. Also, if the job was as easy as you claim, the burnout rate would not be so high.


What burnout rate? Shortages???? HA!!! More like 3+ year waiting list!
 
Actually, I think this is completely appropriate compensation.

You think $100K is appropriate compensation for a position that typically recruits from the bottom third of college grads, has almost total job security regardless of performance, and requires something like 35 hours per week, for 36 weeks per year? :shock:

Give me a freaking break. I didn't earn that much for the first couple years after I had my freaking MBA and was $150K in debt from school...and I was working a lot more hours than that, at a position that required a lot more work/training.
 
ALright man...... teachers hardly do any work. They are there for SIX hours a day! Thats 30 hours a WEEK! They are off around 2 days a month for whatever lame holiday comes around. Then they have THREE MONTHS OFF!!! Their job is EASY! At least 3 out of 10 people could walk in and do their job with ZERO training.
You know why its hard to get a teachers position? Because everyone and their cousin wants to be one! So they made it more difficult in Illinois to qualify. My friend Rob is a teacher. He used to be a retail book store manager. He said that was TWICE as difficult.

Lets not even get into how difficult it is to fire a crappy teacher! Or their INSANE pensions! Beginning teachers should make no more than $27K a year and after ten years make no more than $37K a year. Now divide that salary by NINE...... NOT 12 since they only work 9 months. Plus they need to pay 20% of their benefits.

I said this to you a year ago when you went on one of these anti-teacher rampages. This denotes that you have no idea what a teacher does. Their job is NOT easy, they get paid for NINE months, not twelve, and they perform one of the most important tasks there is: educating our children.

I am really uninterested in whatever your personal vendetta towards teachers is... and your railing against them certainly comes across as personal. Regardless, I don't see anything in your posts that has any accuracy. The only thing I agree with is that it needs to be far easier to fire bad teachers. Other than that, the rest of your post is invalid.
 
You think $100K is appropriate compensation for a position that typically recruits from the bottom third of college grads, has almost total job security regardless of performance, and requires something like 35 hours per week, for 36 weeks per year? :shock:

Give me a freaking break. I didn't earn that much for the first couple years after I had my freaking MBA and was $150K in debt from school...and I was working a lot more hours than that, at a position that required a lot more work/training.

Really, we should move to the finnish model of recruiting teachers and pay them well, but also have experts with tons of autonomy.
 
You think $100K is appropriate compensation for a position that typically recruits from the bottom third of college grads, has almost total job security regardless of performance, and requires something like 35 hours per week, for 36 weeks per year? :shock:

Give me a freaking break. I didn't earn that much for the first couple years after I had my freaking MBA and was $150K in debt from school...and I was working a lot more hours than that, at a position that required a lot more work/training.

Absolutely. We are talking total package compensation. Like I said, the only issue that I have with teachers is the problem with getting rid of bad ones. Beyond that, their contribution and impact to society is more important that most other professions.
 
I said this to you a year ago when you went on one of these anti-teacher rampages. This denotes that you have no idea what a teacher does. Their job is NOT easy, they get paid for NINE months, not twelve,

That makes it even worse. If they're getting paid $100K for nine months, then the REAL annualized cost to the taxpayers is closer to $130K.

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and they perform one of the most important tasks there is: educating our children.

The driving factor in ALL government salaries should be supply and demand. The fact that they are performing a task that you deem important is irrelevant to the fact that there are plenty of qualified teachers out there.

This argument might have some merit if paying teachers such exorbitant salaries actually meant that more capable teachers would be recruited and student performance would improve...but it does not, because the unions also ensure that there is no merit pay and no one ever gets fired for anything.
 
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The $59K is not the shocking part. To me that seems a bit more than what teachers are worth, but I'm not going to make a big fuss about it. The real shocking number is the $42K in benefits every year. That is absurd.
How does it compare to other compensation packages?
 
That makes it even worse. If they're getting paid $100K for nine months, then the REAL annualized cost to the taxpayers is closer to $130K
If the cost is 100k/yr then the cost is 100k/yr. You can't annualize something that's already annual. It just don't make no sense.
 
That makes it even worse. If they're getting paid $100K for nine months, then the REAL annualized cost to the taxpayers is closer to $130K.

They get their pay annualized from the 9 months, not 12, so the original amount is correct. When my wife got a job with the school system, they gave her three options
1. Take your pay in 9 increments and get nothing during summer
2. Take your pay in 12 increments
3. Take your pay in 13 increments (due to the lag time before the first paycheck)

The pay is the same regardless.
 
Me too, unfortunately it is significantly lower than that.

And that's a shame. I look at monetary compensation as a refection on the importance to society... and I see certain areas of public service, professions that are an intregal part of holding together the fabric of society as being the most important. Those that should be compensated the most would include those in the military, teachers, the police, firefighters, and physicians.
 
I said this to you a year ago when you went on one of these anti-teacher rampages. This denotes that you have no idea what a teacher does. Their job is NOT easy, they get paid for NINE months, not twelve, and they perform one of the most important tasks there is: educating our children.

I am really uninterested in whatever your personal vendetta towards teachers is... and your railing against them certainly comes across as personal. Regardless, I don't see anything in your posts that has any accuracy. The only thing I agree with is that it needs to be far easier to fire bad teachers. Other than that, the rest of your post is invalid.

I know EXACTLY what a teacher does. I could walk into a school and have little problem on the first day doing what they do..... and thats with zero training. My good friend is a teacher.... I dated two teachers. What they do is EASY! Even my friend said "its a cake walk"!!!!
So YOU sir can not tell me otherwise!!!
Sure their job is important..... a truck drivers job is VERY important. A guy that plow the road when it snows.... THAT job is very important. A salesmans job is very important! A soildiers job is VERY important.

Your view of teachers is WRONG!!!!! Wrong wrong wrong!!!!
 
If the cost is 100k/yr then the cost is 100k/yr. You can't annualize something that's already annual. It just don't make no sense.

Yes you can, because the taxpayers are not getting any service from the teachers for 25% of the year.

If other public agencies decided that they were going to start taking summers off, but still charge the taxpayers the same amount as before for their salaries/benefits, wouldn't you see a problem with that? By the same token, it makes perfect sense to annualize teachers' salaries to compare how much we're paying teachers in proportion to the benefit they provide.
 
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